Wiki 1558 Posted November 24, 2015 This morning, a russian Sukhoï 24 has been shot down by Turkey while he was conducting air strikes on ISIS in Syrian airspace. 1 pilote was killed during ejection and the other one is MIA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
froggyluv 2130 Posted November 24, 2015 Why did Turks machine gun the 1 pilot while he was parachuting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontknowhow 33 Posted November 24, 2015 lots of blame on the Turks. The violation of the airspace was indeed not tragic, but why didn't they respond to 10 warnings? 10 warnings sounds like a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted November 24, 2015 lots of blame on the Turks. The violation of the airspace was indeed not tragic, but why didn't they respond to 10 warnings? 10 warnings sounds like a lot. You realy think they were able to transmit 10 warnings while Su-24, being a supersonic bomber, had been flying those couple of kilometers, do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontknowhow 33 Posted November 24, 2015 You realy think they were able to transmit 10 warnings while Su-24, being a supersonic bomber, had been flying those couple of kilometers, do you? yes, because a supersonic bomber doesn't always fly at supersonic speed, particularly when it's maneuvering. They said 10 warnings in 5 minutes. That's about one warning every 30 seconds. I would like to have an expert opinion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semiconductor 309 Posted November 24, 2015 Putin just said that the incedent is "an obvious backstab" and called Turkey "terrorists' accomplice". He also noted that shoot down happened despite Russia-US treaty concerning the prevention of exactly these incedents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_lukin 16 Posted November 24, 2015 look from 5:50 Strangely, my funny post deleted.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted November 24, 2015 yes, because a supersonic bomber doesn't always fly at supersonic speed, particularly when it's maneuvering. They said 10 warnings in 5 minutes. That's about one warning every 30 seconds. I would like to have an expert opinion. Even with moderate speed of 500 km/h it would take about 15 seconds to pass that piece of airspace. The whole piece. I don't understand how Su-24 could spend 5 minutes to cross 2.3 km-long straight line (if CNN track is correct). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 473 Posted November 24, 2015 30 km /h ? it is speed of offroad vehicle in that desert not jet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Jimmy 272 Posted November 24, 2015 So Turks did get pissed off by Russian Bombings in the North Syria somewhere near Latakia? Last week http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-protests-intense-russian-bombing-turkmen-villages-1603191925 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pulstar 55 Posted November 24, 2015 I want to photoshop a Fencer into CNN's Wolf Blitzer's holographic Flight 370 extravaganza but I lack the skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
srbknight 925 Posted November 24, 2015 lots of blame on the Turks. The violation of the airspace was indeed not tragic, but why didn't they respond to 10 warnings? 10 warnings sounds like a lot. 10 warnings i didn't see the any prove at all second thing Russian jets are not fight the Turkey just terrorists it's really huge ba%ls from turkey to do this thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiki 1558 Posted November 24, 2015 It seems the Sukhoï was in Syrian airspace when it was shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontknowhow 33 Posted November 24, 2015 Even with moderate speed of 500 km/h it would take about 15 seconds to pass that piece of airspace. The whole piece. I don't understand how Su-24 could spend 5 minutes to cross 2.3 km-long straight line (if CNN track is correct). I managed to find the spot on the map, and it seems indeed quite small. You might actually have a point. But I'm not exactly sure of the speed, of how long that part is in Turkish territory, and how long it would take to cross that. EDIT: yep, it looks like it's a bit more than 2 km I found an article on Reuters that reports a Turkish official mentioning they issued the warnings even before the plane entered the airspace, which would explain it. That is interesting. Waiting for the NATO meeting today So Turks did get pissed off by Russian Bombings in the North Syria somewhere near Latakia? Last week http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-protests-intense-russian-bombing-turkmen-villages-1603191925 looks more like it. Actually, I think they have been pissed for quite some time because the moderate rebels, who I believe are more their friends than ISIS, have been bombed by Russian planes 10 warnings i didn't see the any prove at all second thing Russian jets are not fight the Turkey just terrorists it's really huge ba%ls from turkey to do this thing it's not excluded that NATO today will agree with you the 10 warnings haven't been disputed by anyone. It doesn't look like this is an issue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_lukin 16 Posted November 24, 2015 It seems the Sukhoï was in Syrian airspace when it was shot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Jimmy 272 Posted November 24, 2015 It seems the Sukhoï was in Syrian airspace when it was shot Got to wonder how long distance the shot was made. It could be that the missile was fired in the Turkish airspace and Sukhoi was already in Syria when it hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 473 Posted November 24, 2015 missiles can shot down planes even at distance 20-40 km indeed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eight Ball 16 Posted November 24, 2015 Hard to tell without knowing which kind of missile were used. A heat-seeker AIM-9 has a fairly short range while radar guided AIM-7 or the AIM-120 can hit target dozens of Kms away. All 3 are used by the Turkish AF, but I don't know which variant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roberthammer 582 Posted November 24, 2015 Hard to tell without knowing which kind of missile were used. A heat-seeker AIM-9 has a fairly short range while radar guided AIM-7 or the AIM-120 can hit target dozens of Kms away. All 3 are used by the Turkish AF, but I don't know which variant. http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html Most likely it was the AIM-120C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiki 1558 Posted November 24, 2015 Can you explain this picture please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semiconductor 309 Posted November 24, 2015 Can you explain this picture please? Turkey is on the north and Syria is on the south. The bold light-blue line is the state border. The red dotted line is the flight path of a Russian bombers (I believe there were two of them) according to Turkish military. The two other lines (green and blue) represent Turkish F-16. Not sure about MM and HH labels though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontknowhow 33 Posted November 24, 2015 Is that sort of flag the point when they fired? Right after the plane entered Turkish airspace? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted November 24, 2015 Is that a common international procedure to shoot down an airplane that isn't threatening your country ? How dare Turkey invoke NATO if not ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiki 1558 Posted November 24, 2015 Seems both pilotes have been killed by FSA. Support to russian armed forces and their families. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
