crCTI Kastenbier Edition

[thhamm 53]

what happened to the sirens going off ... I love that sound did you turn it off ?

Uh, no. Didn't change anything. They are totally not working? They don't trigger every time, it's a bit randomized, but most of the time they should.

[dr death jm 117]

Uh, no. Didn't change anything. They are totally not working? They don't trigger every time, it's a bit randomized, but most of the time they should.

ok, ... well I have your mission auto loading on my (Linux) server if anyone wants to play ... I wont be around much "do to working hours" , so anyone (maybe 3 peeps) pm me and ill give admin pass word incase server needs a restart or something...

[kyle142 10]

Can you be a bit more specific, a request in that direction has come up before.

You want the AI squads only to be playable by human players? And only for a specific side (or both)? Or deleted at all (noone can join and use them)?

Hey thankyou for reply. I mean that I personally like AI commander being an option, but I also feel that having AI controlled squads should be an option too.

[dr death jm 117]

anybody ? I tried this but then mission dosn't load .

init="GroupsWest = GroupsWest + [group this];this enableFatigue false; ";

I was trying to get rid of Fatigue, personaly I don't like the slow mo that happends seconds after I start running...

any help would be awesome ...

never mind, fixed.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Dr Death JM

[dr death jm 117]

is there going to be HC for this ? my server fps goes down to 30 fps within an hour

[Muecke 114]

@Dr Death JM

You can easily switch off "Fatigue" in the parameters before start the mission.

We have talked about HC but atm its not really necessary. Server can still handle the game even if its around 15fps or less.

As long as you can play with above 20 its ok.

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.17 r40 (30.9.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes since r38:

• A3: Don't spawn gunners in FFV positions
  
• "Smoother" UnitCam
  

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.17 r46 (7.10.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes since r40:

• General AI movement optimization
  
• Fixes for AI boarding of transports
  
• AI Commander base building tweaks
  
• AI Commander: Set up ground transport duty when appropriate
  
• AI Commander: Use last AI group for TPDuty, not first
  
• Fixed potential issues cleaning up stuck/unused vehicles
  
• Prevent firing from vehicles attached to Helicopter
  
• More Transport Duty Air/Ground fixes (it never ends ...)
  
• Transport Duty Air: Initiate Paradrop when enemy near LZ
  
• Transport Duty: Wait longer for Cargo, display time until departure to players
  
• A3: More FFV fixes
  
• A3: Fix Transport/Transport Air Buylists
  
• A3: Fatigue default to Off
  
• A3: Add Parameter to limit Fatigue
  
• A3: Fix AI ejecting from parachutes after drop
  
• A3: Use Non-Steerable Parachute for AI Paradrop, makes AI survive the Drop maybe.
  

Edited October 7, 2014 by thhamm

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.18 r1 (9.10.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes:

• Improve AI Commander Base Building / Spawning of Helicopters on rough terrain
  
• Fix AI able to buy from factories still under construction
  
• Yellow markers for vehicles assigned to Transport Duty
  
• Bump Version to 1.18
  

[(GB)Winston 10]

Hi there, we have just put this on our server!

Great game, i used to play original CTI on ofp, and Rubber edition on ARMA 2.

We are trying different parameters to suit our gameplay style. We like small amount of towns (maybe up to 10), i was wondering about base start positions. Are they equal and opposite with reference to towns or the island? For example if town layout is string or line are the base starting positions equal and opposite to the enemies base start position. Oh and do you plan for your CTI edition to be available on different maps?

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Is there a manual somewhere to explain parameters as a whole?

Edited October 9, 2014 by (GB)Winston

[thhamm 53]

Hi,

We are trying different parameters to suit our gameplay style. We like small amount of towns (maybe up to 10), i was wondering about base start positions. Are they equal and opposite with reference to towns or the island? For example if town layout is string or line are the base starting positions equal and opposite to the enemies base start position.

Well that depends on what you select for "Start Positions". Except "Airfields" and "Fixed" they always adjust to the actual town distribution, specifically:

• Fixed: There are two fixed spawn positions defined, that never change, will be randomly selected for OPFOR/BLUFOR
  
• Airfields: Random spawns at one of the Airfields
  

For every other choice, only spawn positions that are near a town can be selected (about 2km, unless less than 4 spawn points meet that constraint, then i can be farther). Now all possible spawnpoint combinations get sorted by their distance and then:

• Random: Select two random spawns, no constraint except they can't be the same obiously :)
  
• Near: Select two spawns that are "in the lower third" regarding distance of all possible combinations
  
• Medium: Random spawns with a distance between 1/3 and 2/3 of that list
  
• Far: Random spawns with a distance in the "upper third"
  
• Maximum Separation: Select the two most distant spawn positions
  

Oh and do you plan for your CTI edition to be available on different maps?

Sure, if there's a good new map, it's easily ported. For now there's Altis & Stratis and Chernarus, Zargabad and Takistan (for A3MP or AiA map pack). A2 version has more.

Is there a manual somewhere to explain parameters as a whole?

Yes look at parameters.pdf, should be in the .zip, there's a brief overview of all parameters (some only valid for A2).

[(GB)Winston 10]

Thank you for your in-depth reply.

[terox 316]

I have been around this engine since the early days of OFP and have been running ofp/arma servers since those days, so hopefully I am speaking from a lot of experience in a server admin , gaming community, public server environment and am more than familiar with this mission style.

We recently added this to our server as an alternative option to our modded version of Roy86's PatrolOps mission, which has been running on our public server for some considerable time now. Prior to that we ran Invade & Annex and we also run Insurgency on our addon server.

All these missions have their merits and issues, however Patrol Ops stands out from the crowd as the mission if you want good organised and controlled public play which many none community solo MP players seem to look for.

CrCTI has the potential to compete with Patrol ops but not in its current format.

This I believe has all to do with the Orbat and chain of command.

The major difference between the two, from a Command and control point of view, is that every player in CrCTI is in their individual groups and the gamestyle therefore encourages solo play or at the very most 2 to 4 players playing in some organised way.

The quality of the control is of course down to the admins on the server and the quality of the overall mission commander.

I have a good admin team and good mission commanders and in CrCti's current format it is extremely difficult to get the teamwork and organisation that we achieve in our Patrol ops sessions. I eventually took it off our main public server because it was encouraging bad team play which is not something i like to promote

How you develop this mission is of course completely down to you and kudos for bringing it this far already.

My opinion on how to make this better is as follows:

Design an approx 50 player orbat (Anything more will grind the server down to a poor fps in coop mode) so that

a) Players can work in the same group

b) Players have a defined Role to play

c) VOIP Group chat will then reduce VOIP sidechat drastically and all chain of command comms can then be sent via command chat

(Every server has a teamspeak server, not every player will join it, and voip works out of the box (And will work better when they eventually fix the stutter issue)

something like the following

a) HQ GROUP (2-4 men)

... Mission commander (Overall in charge of the complete mission)

... X.O (Base commander, Base builder and logistics manager)

... Plt Medic/C.O Bodyguard/General Dogsbody

... Plt Medic/C.O Bodyguard/General Dogsbody

b) RECON SQUAD (3-4 men)

... Team leader

... JTAC/F.O

... Medic

... (Not sure,, was thinking about a sniper, but that encourages the wrong player for a recon team)

c) ALPHA/BRAVO/CHARLIE (10 men)

... Squad leader

... (FT1) Assault rifleman

... (FT1) A.T

... (FT1) Grenadier

... (FT1) EOD Spec

... (FT2) Assault rifleman

... (FT2) A.T

... (FT2) Grenadier (Maybe something else ?)

... (FT2) Medic

... (FT3) Vehicle crew (Driver) IFV's

... (FT3) Vehicle Crew Gunner) IFV's

d) ECHO 1 (3 man Vehicle crew) Armoured Support

... Vehicle Commander

... Vehicle Gunner (Medic)

... Vehicle Driver (Repair specialist)

d) ECHO 2 (3 man Vehicle crew) Armoured & AIR Support

... Vehicle Commander

... Vehicle Gunner (Medic)

... Vehicle Driver-Pilot (Repair specialist)

d) FOXTROT, GOLF HOTEL (2 man squad with ability to recruit AI)

... Squad Leader

... Medic

... AI Recruitment slot 1)

... AI Recruitment slot 2)

... AI Recruitment slot 3)

... AI Recruitment slot 4)

... AI Recruitment slot 5)

... AI Recruitment slot 6)

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HOW I SEE THE GAMEPLAY

Initial start

1. Mission Commander decides on the base location, Base Commander takes the MHQ and off he goes building in the order ddefined by the Mission Commander
   
2. Mission Commander decides on the initial target or set of targets
   
3. Recon head off to a target to scout it out, mark enemy locations etc
   
4. A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H, which are all infantry based at this point head off to the primary target or targets to capture them.
   
5. This then becomes a continous cycle, recon scouting, infantry attacking
   As the mission progresses the individual group roles become more defined as more assets are made available
   Echo starts to be given armoured or air assets etc
   

ECONOMY

The majority of funds are sent to the Base commander for buildings/ vehicles or AI units

Players get enough funds for personal equipment only, weapons, backpacks etc

The mission commander decides via comms with the base commander what assets are required and who they should be allocated to.

The base commander creates these assets and assigns them where necessary

REVIVE

Best choice, Faroques base respawn with unlimited bleed out timer and no respawn option

(This makes getting to player casualties to revive them important and therefore keeps the squads relaitvely close together)

Lone wolfs suffer and may have to wait an eternity for medical support because they went off and did their own thing)

Secondary choice, 15 minute beleedout time, respawn available, but on respawn your unit is re-equipped with basic kit

FOXTROT, GOLF HOTEL

I am not sure if having players controlling AI is necessary however if it is, there should be enough slots for those who want that style of gameplay.

Personally I think the mission would run smoother without the additional issues that controlling AI brings

Having said that, these groups could solely be used by the mission commander for base defence

This is just a rough overview on how you could make this mission something better than it is

Edited October 12, 2014 by Terox

[thhamm 53]

Hi Terox,

thanks for the input!

it was encouraging bad team play

That much is certain. :) But cooperation between squads can be done and be fun, but that depends on the people, yes.

How you develop this mission is of course completely down to you and kudos for bringing it this far already.

Well, i want to stick to the "original crCTI gameplay", just improve/fix stuff, but not change the whole concept, but squad based coop is possible, i added some basic support for it a while back. And it can be fun, but not without AI, IMO.

Design an approx 50 player orbat (Anything more will grind the server down to a poor fps in coop mode) so that

a) Players can work in the same group

b) Players have a defined Role to play

c) VOIP Group chat will then reduce VOIP sidechat drastically and all chain of command comms can then be sent via command chat

If you want to take a shot at it, this is actually pretty easy implemented if you just edit the mission.sqm (take the one out of the example COOP mission where Delta squad has additional team members). Then you can set up your squads just as you like, make the members playable (keep below 10 members per group). Only thing that has to be set is a global variable CRCTICOOP = true; (via gamelogic or start of init.sqf). Like that you can set up any COOP mission you like, but it's not really polished and integrated into the whole CTI concept. But basically works.

Best choice, Faroques base respawn with unlimited bleed out timer and no respawn option

(This makes getting to player casualties to revive them important and therefore keeps the squads relaitvely close together)

Lone wolfs suffer and may have to wait an eternity for medical support because they went off and did their own thing)

Secondary choice, 15 minute beleedout time, respawn available, but on respawn your unit is re-equipped with basic kit

Well, some form of "revive", and especially respawn with your old equipment has been hotly debated over in our clan, and was mostly declined. Even switching into AI units. The whole point being somewhat, that *if* you die, you'll have to work your way up again to your target and buy new gear. But, this can still be integrated, worked pretty good with ACE wounding system, but you have to make sure that AI controlled units don't get stuck eternally waiting for revive. So if this would be added, the second option would be better (technically).

So in all, if you want to make a "bigger" COOP version of it, by all means, do, and we can see how it works out, but COOP is obviously not my main priority for this. But it has been always in the back of my head, especially if there are enough players to fill up the slots, AND have the "crCTI" running besides it, so to speak, with autonomous AI squads too. (Now thinking about fixing ACRE2 support ...) :)

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New Version: 1.18 r2 (15.10.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes:

• Display Map Animation / Gameinfo only at Mission Start / First Join
  
• A3: ObjectViewdistance now never higher than Parameter or actual Viewdistance, whichever is lower. (1.33.127735 and up)
  

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.18 r3 (30.10.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes:

• A3: Use A3 ropes to attach vehicles to choppers (1.33 and up)
  
• AI Comm: Save money to repair destroyed MHQ
  
• Minor fixes / tweaks
  

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.18 r9 (13.11.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes since r3:

• AI Comm: Tweak and fix base attack logic
  
• Fix potential JIP/Spawn issue, should fix spawning in water at mission start
  
• Max. distance AI will search for support vehicles reduced to 500m
  
• Add new sound for "negative" Hints
  
• Force AI to fire on base buildings if able
  
• Told civilians to put their fscking cars in a garage, if they have one. (Improved civilian vehicle placement)
  
• Attach / Detach vehicle locality fix
  
• Remove capability of boats to tow
  
• Minor AI fixes
  
• TPDuty: Don't increase departure time if already longer than 60s
  
• A3: Weather change interval default to 30 min
  
• A3: Fatigue default to enabled, limited to 50%
  
• A3: Remove VR Entities from unitlist
  
• A3: Improve rope positions when attaching vehicles
  
• A3: Add Heli H with lights and windsock to structures
  
• A3: Fix dropped Backpack when joining OPFOR
  
• A3: Add second RPG round to OPFOR leaders on respawn
  

Edited November 13, 2014 by thhamm

[C0r3y 10]

Linux server running this latest gamemode hangs at Reciving... and don't start

[thhamm 53]

Linux server running this latest gamemode hangs at Reciving... and don't start

Can you send your server logs and client log please? Did you set any mission parameters other than their default? Using any mods?

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New Version: 1.18 r10 (18.11.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes:

• A3: Some more Attach / Detach vehicle locality fixes
  
• A3: Fix possible locality issues when spawning parachutes
  
• A3: Fix missing civilians and civilian vehicles on AiA maps
  

[mazza 1]

Hi thhamm any chance of supporting the the Bornholm map? :) :)

[thhamm 53]

Hi thhamm any chance of supporting the the Bornholm map? :) :)

Oof. You again ... :D

I don't even have that map, so "slim". Do it yourself. :) It's not that hard. Merge the Altis map via the editor into Bornholm, move all flags and rename them, move all spawn points (tedious), copy all Scripts, done. :)

Is the map good?

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.18 r11 (22.11.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes:

• Add resistance weapons caches at flags (default disabled)
  
• Fix JIP failure messages not shown long enough
  
• Allow server admin to take command from AI commander
  
• Allow server admin to join disabled side in COOP mode
  
• Add "Request Money" button to Optionsmenu
  

[law-giver 189]

New Version: 1.18 r11 (22.11.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes:

• Add resistance weapons caches at flags (default disabled)
  
• Fix JIP failure messages not shown long enough
  
• Allow server admin to take command from AI commander
  
• Allow server admin to join disabled side in COOP mode
  
• Add "Request Money" button to Optionsmenu
  

Keep em comin'..... ;)

[thhamm 53]

Keep em comin'..... ;)

[thhamm 53]

New Version: 1.18 r13 (28.11.2014)

Downloads:

http://www.vsbw.de/~arma/

Changes since r11:

• Tweak base attack mode
  
• Make workers priority targets for AI
  
• A3: More sling loading fixes
  
• A3: Do not show "Buy Crew Buttons" for drones
  
• A3: Weird hacks trying to prevent even weirder stuff when detaching vehicles / paradropping infantry
  
• Minor fix
  

Edited November 28, 2014 by thhamm

[sandman1980 18]

Hi thhamm, i have a doubt, what mean the option No Player Timeout?

Thanks!

Edit: Sorry i see the option explained in the Parameters.pdf.

:banghead:

Edited November 30, 2014 by Sandman1980