Libya today

[Tonci87 163]

MIG 21s are flying death traps if you aren´t a really good pilot

This pilot managed to eject.

[jakerod 254]

This pilot managed to eject.

Are you sure he made it? I didn't see a chute in either video. Plus three people on the ground got killed.

Three killed as Libyan jet fighter crashes into residential area in Tobruk (abc.net.au)

And to deepen the wound...

The crash happened during a military event to honour the pilot of another warplane that crashed last week in the eastern city of Bayda.

[Tonci87 163]

I think he made it, you can see something detaching from the aircraft at 0:10, I think that is him. The chute deploys outside of the video.

While I was on vacation in Croatia another one of their MIG 21s crashed due to technical malfunction (hydraulics lost pressure, engine started to burn)

http://www.vecernji.hr/crna-kronika/srusio-se-vojni-avion-kod-lomnice-954187

The Mig21 was still an awesome aircraft 20 years ago, but by now their age really starts to show and due to their small wings every mistake or malfunction can result in total loss of control. The MIG 21s Croatia sent to Ukraine for servicing also returned with all kinds of malfunctions...

[pulstar 55]

Mmmm thinking about getting DCS's MiG21 module (in a future sale lol)

[sgtsev3n 12]

this is what happen when NATO brings demoCRAZY into your country. now libya is nothing more than a ruin thx to NATO rebels.

look how libya was before the fake revolution began and look how libya now is.

gaddafi wasnt that bad. he was overthrown by the NATO with the help of mercenaries because he was not a western puppet. he wanted to sell his oil with gold not with dollar.

he wanted to unite africa. gaddafis speeches are awesome, take a look and you will understand what im talking about:

and he even asked for a real investigation into the JFK case. he was not stupid. he was better than all of the western and gulf state leaders.

and here some more videos of what the rebels are and for who they are working:

take a look into this channel, lots of pro gaddafi und pro assad rally videos which were not shown in the western media:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RyuzakeroV1/videos

[Xalteva 10]

Stables of David ... that made my day :D

[Sooke 13]

It's funny how when these people from 3rd world countries are dying from starvation and lack of access to basics human needs we don't care about them. We pretend we don't have the money to help them

But as soon as they are attacked by islamists (if you're a Hutu you can kill nearly a million people with machetes and we won't mind) then suddenly we have millions if not billions to throw bombs at them.

So my advice to the people of these countries would be : Stop dying from starvation ! Be killed by islamists ! Then we'll care ! And if your soils are filled with natural resources we'll be there in a minute, guarantee !

The system we live in in the west is not democracy, it's hypocrisy.

[vilas 473]

you are partly right,

but when we look from our perspective (Europe, North America, or even Asia) than guys with machete (Hutu vs Tootsie - over milion victims slaughtered in 1995's) are not dangerous to us, guy with machete will not swim here to blow up,

Islamists are danger for us, they come here and kill us here, so we must kill them before they will kill us,

we cannot help and feed whole Africa, but when some crazy Islamist say they want to blow up us, we got to bomb them,

it is not about morality, it is about protecting our civilization against their stone-age one,

if someone would come here and kill us in the name of voodoo treating us death penalty cause we eat popcorn, we would blow voodoo guys instead of Islamists,

of course Hootoo and Tootsie is sad case, it was holocaust of one tribe by another tribe, and of course world not reacted in 1995 , yes, you are right, than world should help in 1995,

but as we had 9/11 and another Islamist terrorist acts in Europe and Russia (Beslan, subway), we realized we must react and destroy every religious freaks on this planet who say they want to kill us because we do not believe in their gods,

is west hypocrisy - yes you are right too,

when Islamists demand ban Christmass tree - city hall does it

when Christians would demand ban Mosque building - they would be called racists,

when Muslims set Jihad flag on one church "nothing happened", if Christians would put cross on Mosque, first someone would arrest them for "racist, hate crime" than other Islamist would behead them (look at police protection for people who criticized Quoran)

when Muslim kid go to school his parents demand to remove cross from classroom and remove beacon from other children,

when Christian kid go to school his parents cannot demand to put cross,

when white man rape woman he is in prison,

when immigrant rape woman, he is free "cause it is allowed by his religion",

they call "hate crime" stuff from natives, but it is "normal" in preaching of some Islamists preachers in UK who demand to ban elections, voting and replace democracy with caliphate (i posted videos of few UK islam leaders who call to set Sharia in UK or France or Belgium, to forbid elections and ban all that is not halal) ,

we do not treat criminal acts equally, we should imprison all that demands to replace democracy with caliphate (as we imprison those who want nazism and praise swastika), we should imprison everyone who burn cross or Bible if we do it to those who want to burn Quoran (i do not see difference why you can burn one book but cannot burn other, but i know several cases when metal bands burned bibles on shows and nothing happened, it was called "artistic metaphore, artistic show, artistic emphasis") or imprison freaks who demand to ban "haram" food and etc.

http://patriotsbillboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/40997-Political-Correctness-by-Yaakov-Kirschen-Dry-Bones.jpg

https://acynicallookatfeminism.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/political-correctness1.jpg

http://richardbarnes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-27-at-15.00.46.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iwEa9.jpg

this hypocrisy is called "political correctness"

minority can do what majority can't - this is hypocrisy and inequality to different religions (now Christianity is supressed in Europe), there were acts when some islamists put Jihad flag on Christian church cross and etc.

i hope that caliphate and jihadists will be destroyed, cause we live in XXI century not in VII century, noone can say that we must or can't eat something because of callendar date or "god" idea, behead someone for taking photo or dancing, burinig face by acid for taking photo or dancing etc. we cannot allow this cancer to spread to EU in 2030 and cut our children throats for eating beacon,

of course we (west, usa, europe, russia, asia, developed world) do not care about people in third world countries (we care about if David Beckham has new wife, our woman care about new movie with Johny Deep and what color of skirt has that wife, we care about new hit on MTV, we care about new type of iphone, we care about new game on console, we care about our cat more, people in many countries cannot even show on map where Africa is , but we know exactly about celebrities new cars and new jackets), but we do care about elimination of those who want to kill us for stupid religious reasons,

i know that life in Africa can be horror, yes, specially now in Nigeria when Boko Haram islamists group slaughters at least 100 people daily , they for example go and execute all Chrisitans who visited local church shouting "allah akbar"

they beheaded 500 christians 4-5 months ago, they cut by half christian children, they rape small girls etc. or they simply ride with cars and throw frag grenades to local Church full of women and children and etc.

The total wealth of the world's three richest individuals is greater than the combined GDP of the 48 poorest countries

sad but true, but many people who live in poverty as society, do it on their own will - why ? when education and development is replaced by beliefs only and poor education (plus control of education) than without oil such societies have nothing

Edited September 13, 2014 by vilas

[Sooke 13]

it is about protecting our civilization against their stone-age one

That mindset is the biggest challenge the human civilisation has to face. It's been ours since the dawn of humanity. I'd call it the tribal mindset :

"We are civilised, we're enlightened, we know The Truth. The others are savages, living in the dark by archaics rules. We need to fight them, not only to protect ourselves but to elevate them to our level."

This mindset is the cause of all the problems in this world, it's not Putin, it's not religious extremism, it's not the financial crisis, it's the tribal mindset.

We must extend our family, our tribe, our group, whatever, to the entire human population. We must stop defining the other based on our differences.

We need to learn that every human being is the same and we all want the same thing : Live happy by each other happiness.

What prevent us from doing so is just our definition of "us" and "the others".

We have to cope with the fact that human civilisation has reach a planetary level.

What's happening here has consequences on the other side of the world and vice versa, we're all inter-connected, we're all aware that billions of other people live on this planet.

This never happened before and we must understand that and act accordingdly.

This is not utopia, this really is about our survival and the survival of our civilisation.

Our means of destruction are way too powerfull for us to stand divided.

Nuclear bombs will be considered as fly farts in comparison of tomorrow's weaponery.

Our defense industries (which strangely enough are made for attacking others) is the one we invest the more money and time into.

Nothing even come remotely close to the astronomical budget we spend on weapons and means of destruction.

This again is led by the tribal mindset and it will prevent us to continue our journey into the exploration of life and the universe.

We'll never be able to travel accross the solar system and beyond with such a thought process.

Simply because the technologies involved could just as easily wiped out our entire planet in the blink of an eye.

The first natural ressource we waste is our intelligence.

How many Einsteins, Newtons, Copernics or Curies are working right now in the factories of China, India or whatever...

How many ground breaking inovations, progress and inventions are we missing every day because we live in a system that enslaves us ?

Maybe the guy who could have find a cure for cancer has spent his whole life manufacturing T-shirts, shoes or cellphones

Vilas, you say we can't feed all the people of Africa.

So we can send semi-autonomous robots on Mars, we can send a man on the moon, we can observe atoms but we can't feed the people of this planet ?

It has nothing to do with our capabilities. We don't want to feed the people of this world.

It's not that our western democracies cannot tolerate the death of innocent people, what we cannot tolerate is anyone standing in the way of our economical interests.

10 times out of 10, when innocent people are killed, we don't give a fuck.

10 times out of 10, when someone is compromising our economical interest we bomb the shit out of them.

And I'm not shouting "Conspiracy! the masters of this world are manipulating us for their own interest".

It's all about a system we've build and turned into a religion, nothing less.

We believe in capitalism and money just like people used to believe in god in the middle age. Anyone who don't believe will be put aside from society and if he's too noisy or gains any influence we'll kill him.

We European used to colonise the world to bring christianism to the savages.

Christianism was the only salvation. It was the only way to have prosperity and well being.

We went to the middle east to liberate the holy land and elevate the people to our standards.

Nowadays we do just the same. We colonise the world to bring democracy and capitalism to the savages.

And we're back in the middle east, to liberate the holy land of oil.

We've putted the futur of our entire planet in the hands of a human made system we refuse to regulate. Free market rules !

Money regulates our life, our world is driven by economical interest. And we human beings serve those interests, not the other way around.

The financial markets are completely disconnected from the value of the goods with produce in the real world.

It's crazy ! We made that sytem !

We must change, not because it's the ethical things to do but because our survival depends on it.

Look what we've done in the past, look what we do now, do you really think we'll make it another millenary if we keep behaving like that ?

Our civilisation is in its adolescence. We're no longer a child but we are far from becoming an adult.

Adults do what needs to be done, not what they want. Children do what they want not carring about the consequences.

With the toys we got in our hands we no longer have the luxury to behave like kids.

I know what you're gonna ask me : "Then what's do you suggest ?"

I don't know ! I_trully_don't_know. I don't pretend to be Jesus II

I don't have the answer, my tiny brains cannot take into consideration the expectation of 7 billions people !

And we shouldn't listen to anyone pretending to have the solution, we have to think about that, all together.

Our past might have been divided but our futur is common.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Sooke

[vilas 473]

it is utopia what you said, competition is even on stage of finding love, and always with competition there is winner and looser and noone wants to be this second, there is always competition that fights second competitor, in case of fight we must stand on our own side or we will be destroyed by those who want to rule, because there is also competition in ambition to rule,

[Sooke 13]

It's not so much of an utopia.

Science, through genetics, shows we all have common ancestors. I'm not talking about any bacteria or ape, no, we're all the descendants of one mother and one father. We're all part of the same genetical lineage that can be traced back to one male individual and a female one. So, really, all the people of the earth are part of your family.

This is your grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand,...father

And this is your grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand,...mother

Competition to "find love" implies fidelity aka monogamy, which really is more cultural than natural.

It is believed that monogamy evolved in a minority (10-15%) of primates to reduce infanticide. Yet one of our 2 closest animal cousin, chimp, do the exact opposite to prevent infanticide...the other closest is the bonobo, and everybody knows about their sexuality.

But I know you're going to say that these are the values of our modern civilised society.

So we can all agree with the idea of exterminating another group of people based on arbitrary judgment of their values and because we consider them as a threat but when our wife or husband is sharing a moment of mutual happiness with someone else that's unacceptable ?

What kind of values are we talking about here ?

Again, we live in a total hypocrisy. We pretend to live by higher ethical standards than anyone else but if you look at any TV channel for one hour and you count the number of people you see having sex and you compare it to the number of people getting killed, it's pretty much obvious we praise violence more than anything else.

It's all about education, it doesn't ought to be like that.

We're growing up in an ultra-competitive, individualist, violence praising society. We see our neighbour as a competitor, as a threat to our success.

It's the exact opposite of our nature and it's messing with our mind.

Aldous Huxley expressed that brilliantly :

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.â€

Competition might have been useful in the past but it is not adapted to our current vision of society.

We need to understand that competion is not bringing the best of ourselves, it appeals to our selfishness and promotes the idea of one's superiority above the other.

I don't understand how you guys aren't tired of the perpetual mental gymnastic that makes you accept we're doing business with one bad guy and we're killing the other.

Our interventionism in the world have nothing to do with our will to liberate the people from oppression or to bring them democracy.

All we want is them to comply with our economical interests.

If you were to make a list of people's rights under Gadafi and the rights people have right now in Saudi Arabia you'll see it's a lot worst in Saudi Arabia. Women there have no right at all.

But nobody is even remotely thinking of invading that country, why ? They comply to our interests.

Look how many democraticaly elected government we've overthrown.

Just on top of my head : Lumumba (Congo), Arbenz (Guatemala), Mosaddegh (Iran), Alliende (Chile). And the list goes on.

We piss on democracy anytime it's standing in the way of our own economical interests.

Trying to systematically destroy our enemies has proven to be totally ineffective except in generating even more enemies to destroy.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Sooke

[vilas 473]

are you kid or adult, do you earn money for your life or live from tax/parents money ? cause you do not sound like working person, with such utopia you could live in squat or be homeless , if you not protect your interest, competitor will eat you , it is no system of education that people make people compete, long before education, in caves, in stone age, competition for sex and having female (now called love) was present and males were fighting 20 000 , 50 000 thousands years ago before banking system appeared on globe, later there was slavery, fedualism and no free-market possibilities of equal start , if you tell about such naive example that we come from 1 monkey, than you sound like kid, who have yet no family, neither work, in tribal societies (who are not touch by our civilization) they often kill more ugly people, like in stone age, in tribal societies living under sharia people starve because of fact that they were born homosexual etc.

a lot of civilisations not being our civilisation have a lot of mess, 300 years ago, before free market (which you so dislike) only king clerks could decide what you can do and what you cannot do, it was feudalism that being born from this or other vagina was deciding about your life, the more democracy and the more free market - the more we can change our life and being born in one or second family doesn't influence so much since, having skills, we can earn more and buy things reserved previously only for "elite", in the India they have casts and society is divided like 500 years ago in Europe, etc. etc.

only our civilisation offers more equal chances than other civilisations, only our civilisation offers more chances to improve life thanx to skills

plus you are naive if you think that feeding whole globe is possible and would bring profit, if you would feed Africa, soon those people would have 10-12 kids, who will than feed and give job to billions of people in 2030 when we have robotization and automation of production (which means people are useless with such automatic process of production and we need cheaper products that we can afford otherwise we cannot afford and we have riots) ? we have 7 billions people on earth, now give in some regions donation from money instead of going to Mars, there will be 20 billions of people next decade and THAN they will be hungry , THAN they will be fighting for square meter , THAN globe will have problems, than they will come and eat you cause they want your PC but they have only some sand and trees, thats why feeding whole globe is impossible, you do not have guarantee that they will gonna have 1 child only and they will build industry (even if they would build industry, than where we gonna work to earn for food?), otherwise we will be destroyed by competition in next decade , because of lack of jobs, lack of resources, planet will come back to stone age within 50 years with your utopia,

people will be living like in stone age, 1 person per 1 square metter of land, without any machines , without any science, without anything, just crowded polluted stoneage,

we already have problems in our part of the world with unemployment and poverty, we must produce and have profits, not lower all down, when i was young i was naive like you ;) since i have to live on my own and earn as much as i can, than i understood

you are on gaming forum, you play software made by guys who had do competee, they had to be good at IT, otherwise they would not made OFP, they had to fight to begin, otherwise you would choose other game , so ... ?

or you do not play Arma at all and just occupy offtopc ?

Edited September 16, 2014 by vilas

[oxmox 73]

Libyan Fighters Seize Benghazi Branch of Central Bank

BAYDA, Libya — Fighters for one of the factions battling for control of Libya seized the Benghazi branch of the country’s central bank on Thursday, threatening to set off an armed scramble for the bank’s vast stores of money and gold, and cripple one of the last functioning institutions in the country.

The central bank is the repository for Libya’s oil revenue and holds nearly $100 billion in foreign currency reserves. It is the great prize at the center of the armed struggles that have raged here since the overthrow of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in 2011. Western leaders had hoped that it might play a crucial role in helping to bring the rest of the country back together.

Since Libyan rebels toppled Colonel Qaddafi with the help of Western airstrikes, the country has slipped into chaos, as militias grounded in particular locations or ideologies have battled for turf, money and influence. Rival coalitions of these armed groups have divided the country into hostile camps, shutting down the two largest airports, crippling the ports, bombing and shelling civilian neighborhoods, and burning refineries and oil depots.

Though the country has vast energy resources, people living in its cities now face daily electricity blackouts, long lines to obtain scarce fuel, and shortages of staple products like cooking oil.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/23/world/africa/libyan-fighters-seize-benghazi-branch-of-central-bank.html

Edited January 22, 2015 by oxmox

[oxmox 73]

Revealed: how Blair colluded with Gaddafi regime in secret

Tony Blair wrote to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi to thank him for the “excellent cooperation†between the two countries’ counter-terrorism agencies following a period during which the UK and Libya worked together to arrange for Libyan dissidents to be kidnapped and flown to Tripoli, along with their families.

The letter, written in 2007, followed a period in which the dictator’s intelligence officers were permitted to operate in the UK, approaching and intimidating Libyan refugees in an attempt to persuade them to work as informants for both countries’ agencies.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/23/-sp-blair-gaddafi-letter-thanks-spy-cooperation-libya-uk-dissidents

[x3kj 1247]

he was not stupid. he was better than all of the western and gulf state leaders.

that's why he was eliminated.

[oxmox 73]

...wow, look what they reveal now.

Secret Benghazi report reveals: Hillary’s Libya war push armed al Qaeda-tied terrorists

Libyan officials were deeply concerned in 2011, as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was trying to remove Moammar Gadhafi from power, that weapons were being funneled to NATO-backed rebels with ties to al Qaeda, fearing that well-armed insurgents could create a safe haven for terrorists, according to secret intelligence reports obtained by The Washington Times.

In the documents and separately recorded conversations with U.S. emissaries, Libyan officials expressed particular concern that the weapons and training given the rebels would spread throughout the region, in particular turning the city of Benghazi into a future terrorist haven.

“There is a close link between al Qaeda, Jihadi organizations, and the opposition in Libya,†the report warned.

The intelligence community, in fact, had come to the opposite conclusion: that Gadhafi would not risk world outrage by killing civilians en masse even as he tried to crush the rebellion in his country.

Distrust between Libya and Qatar had simmered for years before the civil war in Libya erupted.

Mr. Ismael told The Times in an interview that the Qataris had a grudge against the Gadhafi regime because it did not give them natural gas and oil concessions that were promised in 2007. The Libyan intelligence reports provided to the Pentagon’s emissary detailed specific weapons shipments they said came from Qatar.

In a separate conversation with Dennis J. Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat serving in the House, Gadhafi’s eldest son, Seif, told the congressman that Libyan intelligence had observed Qatar, a major U.S. ally in the region, facilitating weapons shipments. Qatar has steadfastly and repeatedly denied arming the rebels.

“The Qataris have spent more than $100 million on this, and they have an agreement with the rebels that the moment you rule Libya you pay us back,†Seif Gadhafi told Mr. Kucinich in a conversation recorded in May 2011.

.....U.S. officials were considering taking some of the Libyan dictator’s frozen money assets and sending it to the rebels.

The recorded conversations also included concerns that the U.S. might try to arm the rebels despite a U.N. arms embargo on Libya.

“We’re not arming the rebels. We’re not planning to arm the rebels,†British Defense Secretary Liam Fox told the BBC the day Mrs. Clinton hinted otherwise.

“NATO has given permission to a number of weapons-loaded aircraft to land at Benghazi airport and some Tunisian airports,†the intelligence report said, identifying masses of weapons including tanks and surface-to-air missiles.

That report, which was prepared in English so it could be passed by a U.S. intelligence asset to key members of Congress, identified specific air and sea shipments observed by Libyan intelligence moving weapons to the rebels trying to unseat the Gadhafi regime.

“There is a close link between al Qaeda, Jihadi organizations, and the opposition in Libya,†the report warned.

NATO allies knew of the dangerous jihadi elements operating in Benghazi before the 2011 intervention began, according to Noman Benotman, president of the British-based Quilliam Foundation, a think tank dedicated to combating Islamic extremism.

“A lot of jihadists that had been locked up by the regime were released after the revolution started. They picked up many of the guns that were coming into the country and fought, but they were not fighting for democracy — they were fighting their own revolution, trying to build a state based on a vicious, violent, radical, Islamic ideology. They took advantage of the situation,†he said.

“There were pro-democracy demonstrators participating in the revolution, of course, but there was also crystal-clear evidence of jihadists and jihadist tactics in Benghazi before the NATO intervention started, so no one can say there were no jihadists there,†he said.

Full 3-page report:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=1

Edited February 2, 2015 by oxmox

[oxmox 73]

Libya Declares 11 Oil Fields Closed After ISIS Attacks

Libya's state-run oil corporation has declared 11 oil fields in the country non-operational after attacks by suspected Islamic State militants, opting for a force majeure clause that exempts the state from contractual obligations.

Libya's turmoil has provided fertile ground for Islamic State-linked militants to set up a foothold in the North African country. The militants control Darna in eastern Libya as well as Sirte, and have carried out several deadly suicide bombings across the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/03/05/world/middleeast/ap-ml-libya-oil.html

Libya chaos deepens as Isil strikes threaten to halt oil production and government bombs Tripoli airport

Isil militants attack al-Dhahra oil field shortly after capturing facilities in Bahi and Mabruk, while national army bombs airport Tripoli, as peace talks begin in Morocco

Attacks Cripple 11 Oil Fields

Libya’s National Oil Corporation has declared 11 of its oilfields non-operational, opting for a force majeure clause that exempts the state from contractual obligations.

Libya may be forced to cease all oil production after suspected Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) jihadists attacked three oilfields and the national army bombed an airport in the capital Tripoli.

The move came after fighters from the Islamic State-dominated city of Sirte attacked the al-Dhahra oilfield on Wednesday. They also captured facilities in Bahi and Mabruk on Tuesday. Located south of Sirte, the two fields had been shut for weeks, in part due to security concerns.

Four years after mass protests hastened the fall of dictator Muammar Gaddafi, oil-rich Libya is divided between two rival governments, each affiliated with a coalition of militias.

“You can’t talk about Isil in Libya or the closing of the oil terminals and fields without talking about the political conflict. Isil is a symptom of the breakdown of the political track, and the inability to export oil is a symptom of the violence that has resulted from its breakdown.â€

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/11452114/Libya-chaos-deepens-as-Isil-strikes-threaten-to-halt-oil-production-and-government-bombs-Tripoli-airport.html

Edited March 7, 2015 by oxmox

[spooky lynx 73]

...wow, look what they reveal now.

But... but... it's Qaddafi who was bloody dictator and sponsor of terrorism.:mad: And Libyan revolt was nothing but the will of ordinary innocent unarmed Libyans to become free and democratic country!

[sudayev 27]

sponsor of terrorism

Yes, he was and it was not forgiven and will never be forgiven.

[flippy_rage 23]

All crazy shit in these countries (Libya, Siria Iraq ect.) started when USA decided to bring there democracy. That system will not work in all countries arround the world and Qadaffi predicted it. He said that if he will die there will be a great radical Islam uprising... and now we have ISIS. Qaddafi and Al -Assad were not bad at all compared to ISIS. In fact as we can see they didn't allowed that to happend in the past, and now you can see that authoritarianism is not bad in all cases. FFS even Washington was a dictator. Deal with it. Now we should focus on fighting isis and all terrorism in Europe and USA...

[sudayev 27]

Ineed. I stated that ^ a few times in this post and anywhere else that civilized rule doesn't work in Arab countries. But I will disagree with anyone saying that Gaddafi wasn't involved in sponsoring international terrorism.

[Dwarden 1124]

actually for Lybia mess is responsible France and Italy whose decided it's easier to overthrow the dictator than pay the debt to Libya ...

[oxmox 73]

U.S. fears Islamic State is making serious inroads in Libya

(Reuters) - The United States is increasingly concerned about the growing presence and influence of the Syria-based Islamic State movement in Libya, according to U.S. officials and a State Department report.

U.S. agencies are evaluating evidence that appears to tie Islamic State to the militants who killed 20 foreign tourists on Wednesday at a museum in Tunis, the capital of Libya's western neighbor Tunisia.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/20/us-libya-security-idUSKBN0MG2G520150320

Tunisia museum attack suspects got weapons training in Libya, official says

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/20/africa/tunisia-museum-attack/

UN warns Libya crisis could destabilise entire region

The UN special envoy to Libya has warned that chaos in the north African country could destabilise the whole region if rival politicians fail to nail down a political agreement within the next few days.

The UN-recognised government was driven out of Tripoli last year and has been confined to the small eastern city of Tobruk, while the General National Congress (GNC), a legally-installed rival parliament, operates out of the capital Tripoli.

Since the end of Gaddafi's one-man rule, the country has failed to build up a national army and efficient state institutions and is now effectively dominated by former rebel brigades who disagree over how to govern Libya and share its oil wealth.

The country's three main cities, Tripoli, Benghazi and Misrata, are largely controlled by militias, with more than 400,000 people displaced by the fighting.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/03/warns-libya-crisis-destabilise-entire-region-150320171556439.html

Turkey's Secret Proxy War in Libya?

Ankara's support for Libyan jihadists raises some troubling questions.

Libya’s internationally recognized Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thinni accused Turkey last month of sending weapons to his Islamist rivals who seized the Libyan capital of Tripoli last year. “Turkey is a state that is not dealing honestly with us,†he told Egyptian television. “It’s exporting weapons to us so the Libyan people kill each other.â€

These accusations are not new. In January, the speaker of Libya’s Parliament claimed, “Turkey still supports the terrorist militias in Libya.†In December, a prominent Benghazi-based activist claimed that Ansar al-Sharia in Libya, a faction loyal to al-Qaeda that has carried out acts of political violence against the recognized Libyan government, is partially funded by “businessmen linked by trade ties to Turkey.â€

Two weeks ago, the acting interior minister of the embattled government in Tobruk claimed that Turkish and Qatari aircraft are flying in and out of the Mitiga air base, which is controlled by the opposing Dawn coalition, amounting to “clear and explicit support†for terrorism in Libya.

The Libyan Civil War, which began after Qaddaffi’s fall, is often described as a proxy war, with Egypt and the United Arab Emirates reportedly backing al-Thinni and the officially recognized government in Tobruk, and Qatar and Turkey reportedly backing the Islamists and other opposition factions.

Turkey has made no secret about backing the country’s Islamists after Qaddaffi’s fall in 2011, and it openly liaises with the self-declared Islamist government in Tripoli. Yet Turkey’s Libyan envoy complains that these latest allegations are a “dangerous smear campaign.â€

In December of that year, the Egyptian press also reported that the Egyptian customs intercepted four containers of weapons from Turkey believed to be destined for Libyan militias.

Three months later, Turkish media reported in November 2014 that Greek authorities found 20,000 AK-47s in a ship heading from Ukraine to Libya.

If Turkey were backing Libya’s jihadists, it would fit a dangerous pattern of Turkish support to extremist regional actors. After helping Iran to evade sanctions, allowing Hamas to establish a headquarters in Turkey, and embracing a permissive border policy that the Islamic State has exploited, Turkey now has even more to explain.

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http://nationalinterest.org/feature/turkeys-secret-proxy-war-libya-12430?page=show

Edited March 21, 2015 by oxmox

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Barbaric homosexual rape on British man by two Libyan soldiers that came to UK for military training

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/07/libyan-soldiers-moktar-ali-saad-mahmoud-ibrahim-abugtila-cambridge-crown-court-bassingbourn

A man allegedly raped by two Libyan soldiers training in the UK described his attackers as “animals†as he told how he tried to fight them off.

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This is not all, there were already such incidents in past where group of Libyan cadets acted have commited sex crimes on Cambridgeshire people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11207252/Libyan-troops-based-in-Britain-accused-of-committing-series-of-sex-attacks.html

Fucking insane! They come to the UK for valuable knowledge and instead they rape people.

It should be in some UK General thread, but since we don't have one I'm posting it here.

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Libya's air force warns Europe over naval plan for migrants

The air force commander of Libya's internationally recognized government has warned European countries

that any vessels entering Libyan waters without permission would be targeted by air strikes.

The warning came after European Union foreign ministers agreed on Monday to launch a naval operation to combat people-traffickers who have brought thousands of migrants on perilous journeys across the Mediterranean Sea to Europe.

"Any vessel found in Libyan waters without previous cooperation or permission will be targeted by the air force," Libyan air force commander Saqr Al-Jaroushi told Reuters late on Monday.

The self-declared National Salvation government, set up last summer when an armed faction called Libya Dawn took over the capital, has also expressed its "deep concern" over the EU plan.

The initial plan was to disrupt the traffickers' business and to capture and destroy their ships, possibly even in Libyan waters.

But the EU would need a U.N. Security Council resolution and consent from the Libyan authorities to operate in Libyan territorial waters and coastal areas and it has neither so far.

The United Nations is trying to broker a ceasefire and power-sharing deal between the two factions as Western governments worry Libya is becoming a safe haven for militants as well as for smugglers ferrying illegal migrants into Europe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-europe-migrants-libya-idUSKBN0P312B20150623

First they seed chaos in Libya and unleash a war, as a result even more boat imigrants want to come to Europe......harsh answer for their innitiative which is actually neccessary to reduce the imigrant flood.