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#1 heli_flying

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 01:58 PM

what tools i need to do it?:confused: thanks ;)

#2 LeftSkidLow

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 04:36 AM

I think you're gonna need the "eliteness" tools and an XML editor. Looks like the values are stored in an xml file (which is in a pbo file).

Here is my config:
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 01:42 AM

many thanks ;) i can edit this file but eliteness dont let me reconvert the pbo file just show the message "No sqm or config detected pbo" when i try to convert the folder air_us_h :(

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 04:32 AM

Hmm I'm not sure, I haven't tried to create a pbo yet, I've only extracted them. Have you tried any of the other PBO tools?

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 05:21 AM

What tool are you using to extract them? The ones I've tried don't work.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:12 AM

I used the eliteness and I think I had to download a depbo.dll and stick in the same folder as eliteness. With eliteness, you will get errors if you don't run the exe as administrator in Windows 7. I got the files on one of those overly complicated dev-heaven sites where you have to read the page 4 times over to find the DL link.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:38 AM

Excellent, I'll start the hunt...

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:55 AM

i tried with pboview but no extract nothing just say "no arma pbo", i find collective maximum and minimum values, the minimum value is to high 8 degrees this is the reason this one is almost unable to auto rotate and no decent faster when the collective is in full down position, normal values in a real helicopter are around zero o even negatives values in asymmetrical foil blades but in the other hand if with 8 degrees you just need add weight and this is able to auto rotate mean the rotors flight dynamics are amazing!!

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 12:55 PM

i need repack to see the changes? i am totally new with this game thanks ;)

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 03:44 PM

Hello,

i need repack to see the changes? i am totally new with this game thanks ;)


Yes, you need to repack the files as pbo to get them running ingame.

To repack PBO files I recommend either kegeteys CPBO (scroll down to the section ArmA tools), which actually is just packing all the files in a bag and gives it the filetype PBO, or the more professional one, which is by that binarizing the Configs (so recommended for a final release packing). This tool is called BinPBO and is part of the BITools2.

To extract pbo´s I recommend Micero´s ExtractPbp application, to find on dev-heaven.net You´ll find a detailed information about how extract them by following this link. Just scroll down to the option: Extract BI addons to P: .

Good luck

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#11 heli_flying

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:38 PM

thank you so much :) i can make a working pbo now

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:08 PM

this appears to be lift vs angle of attack but why in columns? what mean this columns? 0, 0.4, 0.6.... :rolleyes:reynolds number:confused:

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 02:31 PM

I have something that might help real pilots to disable what they probably call "lag on joystick". As there is actualy no real pilot available in BI, pls try this and provide your feedback:

Remove or replace such entry in your testing XML.
If my findings are good, this should remove all stability agumentation build in RLib:

<FCSComponent type="FCSRotationDamper">
<YawController P="0" D="0"/>
<PitchController P="0" D="0"/>
<RollController P="0" D="0"/>
</FCSComponent>

From my personal tests, values for this "Damper" do slow responses simillar way as stability agumentation slider in X-Plane or stability "autopilot" chanels in Black Shark.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 03:01 PM

Anyone who want to test settings with removed FCSRotationDamper values can try thise XML file. Just unpack it in your TKOH folder on root next to the exe.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 03:04 PM

Editing the FM - related; http://forums.bistud...ad.php?t=127308

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:27 PM

what is the difference with Light-GenHeli600-DesktopSim.xml and Light-GenHeli400-DesktopSim.xml ?

is that armed and unarmed heli ?

Just unpack it in your TKOH folder on root next to the exe.


oh? so am I to understand that placing this addon in the root folder overrides the data in the Addons folder? that would help play testing changes and reduce the chance of corrupting the original addon.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:38 PM

-Ziggy-;2054788']what is the difference with Light-GenHeli600-DesktopSim.xml and Light-GenHeli400-DesktopSim.xml ?


400 is training helicopter that has less powerfull engine

-Ziggy-;2054788'] placing this addon in the root folder overrides the data in the Addons folder?


yes, exactly

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:41 PM

Attached complete pack of XML files for all helicopters.
Dampeners at least for yaw control cannot be set to 0 as it brakes autotrim.
More investigation is needed at the controlers part of the XML.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:31 PM

I noticed that with this change and auto-trim on (in the light heli), it takes a few seconds for auto-trim to kick-in. You get about 4-5 seconds of occillation before it bites.

Other than that, I need to test a bit more to see if handling is affected - unfortunately I have a big problem controlling my heli without auto trim on and I guess the biggest benefit of the change is in that mode.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 12:05 AM

Not sure how to properly apply this can sombody help?


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