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Posted 13 September 2011 - 11:33

Hi,

I would like to ask for some recommendations for a good joystick for playing ToH. I must say I little idea about joysticks, so any information is welcome. I guess it is possible to obtain joysticks that include pedals, but I would rather get something that fits on a table.

- How many buttons/degrees of freedom should I look for?
- What are the best brands?

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 13:59

I own a Logitech 3d Pro. It is not the best but it does the job right for my needs
It all depends on the price you are willing to pay. As for brand, you got Saitek, Logitech and Thrustmaster to look for.
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Saitek - X52 (pro or not) - joy and thrust
Thrust - Hotas Cougar - joy and thrust
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 14:03

Hotas warthog :)

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 14:36

warthdog = overkill (plus i prefer the f16 look over the A10 one ;))

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 14:45

warthdog = overkill (plus i prefer the f16 look over the A10 one ;))

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when you tank about Cougar and Warthog you are far beyond overkill :) I have a cougar and I would advise against it (yes it is an amaizing piece of kit to hold in your hand, looks awesome, feels better) simply because it is 10 years old, no support for it, no drivers for current systems, very prone to HW failure (my PC just stops recognizing it) very shitty software. Warthog however is brand new, is fully supported and much improved (however very expensive, however if you could cash out for Cougar, you can cash out for warthog probably too).

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 15:01

Im very happy with Saitek's X52 Pro and ProFlight Pedals for ArmA and FSX and DCS. Mine does the job for 3 years now without problems that other like to report to support Thrustmaster sales ;)

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 15:05

when you tank about Cougar and Warthog you are far beyond overkill :) I have a cougar and I would advise against it (yes it is an amaizing piece of kit to hold in your hand, looks awesome, feels better) simply because it is 10 years old, no support for it, no drivers for current systems, very prone to HW failure (my PC just stops recognizing it) very shitty software. Warthog however is brand new, is fully supported and much improved (however very expensive, however if you could cash out for Cougar, you can cash out for warthog probably too).

Might be right, my experience with cougar was pretty limited, used it a couple of times with Il2 at a friend. Liked that a lot

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 16:44

If you don’t want peddles then you will want a joystick with a twisting axis to the handgrip to replicate rudder/tail rotor/nose wheel steering axis giving you the 3 axis of flight, you then need a 4th axis for a throttle/collective.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:06

Thanks for the recommendations, very useful :)

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 15:30

Personally I've been developing using:
  • Keyboard and mouse
  • Logitech Extreme 3D Pro
  • Saitek X52 Pro (stick and throttle)
  • Xbox 360 controller

I like the additional buttons I can map on the X52, such as more POV switches for looking around and moving my head. But as a regular player the fairly simple Logitech has my vote. It provides all the analogue control I want (small throttle slider and twist-grip for pedals), works very well and does not clutter my desk :)
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 16:47

Personally I've been developing using:

  • Keyboard and mouse
  • Logitech Extreme 3D Pro
  • Saitek X52 Pro (stick and throttle)
  • Xbox 360 controller

I like the additional buttons I can map on the X52, such as more POV switches for looking around and moving my head. But as a regular player the fairly simple Logitech has my vote. It provides all the analogue control I want (small throttle slider and twist-grip for pedals), works very well and does not clutter my desk :)

But unfortunately not all of the X52 switches and button can be assigned in A2...or is there any trick around?

Will there be full support for all of them in TOH?

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 17:09

But unfortunately not all of the X52 switches and button can be assigned in A2...or is there any trick around?

Will there be full support for all of them in TOH?


If an X-52 is Xpadder compatible, then there is your answer.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 17:18

Just in case you dont know how the warthog looks like:

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 17:25

Just in case you don't know how the X52 Pro looks like.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 17:39

Just incase you don't know what our Project Lead's joystick looks like.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 17:44

Just incase you don't know what our Project Lead's joystick looks like.

He likes him some clog-stick.

Now that's extraordinary cool retro style...where can i get it? It's perfect for "Rise of Flight" ;)

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 19:03

Now that's extraordinary cool retro style...where can i get it? It's perfect for "Rise of Flight" ;)


I guess an Atari 2600 joystick just wasn’t retro enough :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 01:36

I miss the old C64 days. I used to slap together custom made joysticks from parts I got from other joysticks and Radio shack.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 08:18

I have an X52pro myself which I use/d for many games and simulators. Personally I have been very happy with it. The only real limitation I have come across so far is only having a single throttle for the likes of the A-10, and that is only a very minor limitation everything considered for my use. I don't think it would be a large factor in TOH?

For me it's basically a great all rounder.

If I was looking for a new joystick for any helicopter game, I think the biggest parts would be smooth movement esp around the centre, and minimal spikes from the potentiometers to make the fine movements when hovering better.

But unfortunately not all of the X52 switches and button can be assigned in A2...or is there any trick around?

Will there be full support for all of them in TOH?


I think you would only achieve this via Saitek's profile editor (or similar type software) which is quite versatile. As an example for DCS A-10 i set it up so that when the pinky button is depressed like a shift key, I setup the mini mouse joystick to act like a three way switch.

Good luck with your choice.
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Posted 17 September 2011 - 10:22

I had the Logitech 3D Pro but I didn't really like the high spring tension. You really have to make "an effort" to get the stick moving, which in turn makes it harder to make small adjustments. At the same time it's easier to over correct every time, causing the chopper to go in a swinging motion. A few weeks ago I bought the X52 Pro, which is in a completely different league. Flying in TKOH is ten times easier now, with the possibility of very small fine tuned adjustments. I also like the fact that the spring tension is way less compared to the 3D Pro.

But to be honest, it's all about how big your budget is. Of course the more expensive sticks will give you better precision, but sure it will be flyable with cheaper sticks as well. Hell, I've played the full Black Shark campaign with my 3D Pro and without pedals. It all depends on how much money you want to spend :) If you're really planning to invest enough play time into the sim (and maybe other sims), and you have the money, I would advise you to do it right immediately and get a more professional stick and throttle. If you're not sure at all or don't have the money: just start with a simple one and see how it goes from there.
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