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#1 Janxy

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 10:09 PM

US Air Force in a seriously stealthless state

The US Air Force has been left seriously short of stealth capacity following the grounding of its F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters (JSFs), while its F-22 Raptor fleet has been stuck on the tarmac since May. The US's entire stealth aircraft capability currently comprises just 20 operational B-2 Spirit bombers.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 12:31 AM

But those two were technicly not stealth to begin with, to the eye maybe not radar, F-35 even less, our one and only true stealth fighter was..the F-117, we lost our stealth capabilities when we pushed that to the side and didn't expand on it's design.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 12:48 AM

The article neglected to mention why this matters. I guess we'll have to stick to defense in case of a MW2-style invasion during the next few months.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:00 AM

But those two were technicly not stealth to begin with, to the eye maybe not radar, F-35 even less, our one and only true stealth fighter was..the F-117, we lost our stealth capabilities when we pushed that to the side and didn't expand on it's design.


I guess ArmA2 provides you with your aircraft information.

The Raptor not only replaces the role of the 117, it expands on it to include further capability that was not yet introduced into the Nighthawk design. Early 80's there were talks about fitting Sidewinders on to the aircraft to fullfill a role that no other aircraft could do... The raptor now does it.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:04 AM

The F-117 is a true stealth plane. F-22 and F-35 are merely "low-observation" compromises.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:17 AM

F-22 and F-35 use newer stealth technologies and that's why they don't need that awkward shape that the F-117 had.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 04:37 AM

I think they measure radar cross section in terms of the radar return of a cross section of a sphere of some size. They say the F-35 has the radar cross section of a metal golf ball. The area of a circle that has an equal diameter to a golf ball is 0.001439 m^2. The supposed radar cross section of the f117 is 0.025 m^2.

Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 05:21 AM

The F-22 is grounded for Oxygen issues. Several pilots have reported Hypoxia effects over 22,000ft and it is now believed to be the cause of the crash of the F-22 in Alaska.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:37 AM

Don't really need stealth when your enemies best AA defense is an RPG and some 7.62
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:41 AM

Don't really need stealth when your enemies best AA defense is an RPG and some 7.62


You mean S400 and some 30mm

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:13 AM

Ye , True Stealth was F-117 - those F-22 and F-35 are just like "attack stealth fighter"
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:22 AM

I wonder if those numbers I found are averages, or from the front, or even representative at all...
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:03 AM

I dont see how the grounding of the F-35, which is still very much in development and not deployed, is such a big issue? Its not like they're losing any capability by having the 20 prototype/test batch grounded. Normal media sensationalism bullshit imho.

@NodUnit, as Max points out, the F-35 and F-22 have much lower radar cross sections than the F-117 ever did, making them more stealthy. Technology moves on, as do the designs.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:36 AM

The F-22 are grounded and production has been stopped long ago, the F35 are in trials/flight test programms.
The F-35C completed its first steam catapult launch July 27 2011. ;)

"Stealth" is just another buzzword in media/film and many people do think that everything with "stealth" = invisible, superstrong!

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:56 AM

The F-117 is a true stealth plane. F-22 and F-35 are merely "low-observation" compromises.


No Celery. I guess another ArmA V-pilot, or Civil fighter jock chippin in.

The Raptor and the F-35 are Stealth aircraft just as much as the F-117. The difference comes in the technology bracket. We "now" can incorperate stealth into a EW package to further enhance the capabilities of the a/c.

We didn't replace the F-117 without thinking about the long term stratagy.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 09:51 AM

Say that to the pilots participating at Red Flag saying that even though they could see the F-22 directly in front of them, their radar simply could not. Note also that the F-117 was so new and volatile in its design that if the Flight computer failed, the pilot had no choice but to eject. Now i don't know about you, but the loss of the F-117, which was limited in capability and lifespan, is not that big a loss.

Also how exactly has the F-35 "fleet" been grounded when it hasn't even been delivered? How are you comparing the F-117, a dedicated ground attack aircraft, to the F-22, an air superiority fighter?

I mean i've seen some real stupid "aircraft vs aircraft" discussions, but this tops the lot. I'd be real surprised if anyone here actually knew 30% of what either aircraft can actually do.

edit: May i also point out that the F-117 has been lost in combat.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 10:32 AM

Love how condescending some people get over this sort of discussion as well Innomadic. They really bring out the worst in people (although I do admit the A3 forums are worse).

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 10:32 AM

This whole argument seems to be apples to oranges to me, the F-117 wasn't a fighter in any sense.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 10:58 AM

Love how condescending some people get over this sort of discussion as well Innomadic. They really bring out the worst in people (although I do admit the A3 forums are worse).


Mate i've seen Su-37 vs Su-47 vs F-22 vs Tyhoon fights, its just ridiculous
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:38 PM

I think they measure radar cross section in terms of the radar return of a cross section of a sphere of some size. They say the F-35 has the radar cross section of a metal golf ball. The area of a circle that has an equal diameter to a golf ball is 0.001439 m^2. The supposed radar cross section of the f117 is 0.025 m^2.

Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way?


The devil is in the detail: You mention a metal golf ball which doesn't have the same RCS as a "normal" golf ball. Since the planes also use radar absorbing coating the RCS is also frequency dependent; I've read (I think on SimHQ in the SAM-simulator-thread) about the shooting down of the F-117 in Serbia where they used a longer-wave radar band, assuming those wavelengths would reflect from the Nighthawk's interior, to track its path.
So it could be indeed that the current Stealth fighters have a lower RCS for some radar frequencies, and the F-117 for some other. It all depends on the equipment the enemy is using.


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