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If the Ukrainian Gov. had been the responsible the pro-Russians would try to call for as much international attention as they could. Instead of trying to cover it up.

MoD already stated that it detected work of Ukrainian air-defence systems in the area of suspected shooting. But who cares if beforehead Russia and pro-Russian insurgents were labeled as guilty?

Meanwhile today Ukrainian artillery fired at Lugansk]. About 20 civilians died. -LINK REMOVED-

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Meanwhile today Ukrainian artillery fired at Lugansk. About 20 civilians died. Warning, link contains NSFW images and videos.

Yeah, disregard the fact that the separatists are shelling Lugansk non-stop for 3-4 days already with grads.

Since the government is so evil, nazi, jewish and fashist at once, all they do is kill their own people and destroy their own infrastructure that they will have to repair themselves later.

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Yeah, disregard the fact that the separatists are shelling Lugansk non-stop for 3-4 days already with grads.

It is not the fact but your wet dreams.

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It is not the fact but your wet dreams.

Are you intentionally ignorant?

Jump a few pages back and you will get a more proof than you can ever handle, yet you always ignore everything and stick to your conspiracy theories.

Oh and here you conspiracy fetishist:

http://youtu.be/J8te3IXlG74

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With all due respect, given the evidence on social media and sequence of events leading up to this catastrophe, there's already a pretty clear picture on who the perpetrators are. Anyone that denies that completely is beyond palpable and is not a rational human being.

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CNN :http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Now, a preliminary classified U.S. intelligence analysis has concluded that the missile that hit Flight 17 most likely was fired by pro-Russian separatists inside eastern Ukraine, according to a U.S. defense official with direct access to the latest information.

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"Ukraine's state security chief has also accused two Russian military intelligence officers of involvement in Thursday's events. Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said he based his allegation on intercepts of phone conversations between Russian officers, saying the conversation implicates the pro-Russian side."

Wow where the world is coming to, people jumping to conclusion after listening to some fake YouTube video. After that the world wants incompetent Ukrainian government solve what happened with flight MH17?

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spooky so you deny these dozens videos of grads fired from Russian territory and just behind Ukraine border (within 1km from border line) into Ukraine ?

also explain how can grad drive into fire-position and drive away with tracks trail leading only to Russian border... guess magic

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Interesting that Russian representative in the UN is pointing that it's Ukraine's fault to not have been able to control their airspace.

So basically they are diverging the attention from who was the direct responsible of the attack.

Amazing that intervention in the UN Security Council... Instead of talking to solve who was responsible to shot down that plane.

Russian Gov. are committing a political suicide.

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They aren't able to control their airspace because of Pro Russian militias backed and equiped by Moscow, which let wide open its frontier with Ukraine.

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I can't believe the Russian emissary speech in the UN. Basically he didn't care about the proper shooting down of the plane.

In fact he didn't even deny that there was Russian involvement.

All the rest of the countries calling for a proper investigation, even asking for a resolution of the council to force a neutral investigation team ( Chile, Australia, UK, Nigeria, etc. ).

And Russian emissary ignoring everyone!

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spooky so you deny these dozens videos of grads fired from Russian territory and just behind Ukraine border (within 1km from border line) into Ukraine ?

also explain how can grad drive into fire-position and drive away with tracks trail leading only to Russian border... guess magic

I've seen that videos and compared them with maps so you can't say for sure those Grads were on Russian territory. That's it.

About tracks... Maybe you are super-expert that can distinguish tracks from average Ural or KaMAZ truck (that can be either military or civil) and Grad launchers but I can't.

Even if those Grads were really stationed in Russian territory - then it's good answer on numerous artillery attacks and armor driving from Ukraine (I'd remind you that a number of people were killed and wounded as a result). We are learning fast from 'civilized world' like Israel how to react on artillery attacks at us. I'd repeat, we should have performed a strike long before - when UNA-UNSO nationalists appeared in Chechnya in masses. Like every 'civilized' country would do.

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Yeah, disregard the fact that the separatists are shelling Lugansk non-stop for 3-4 days already with grads.

Since the government is so evil, nazi, jewish and fashist at once, all they do is kill their own people and destroy their own infrastructure that they will have to repair themselves later.

looks like those separatist are complete idiots - all they do is shelling towns, killing civilians, shutting down airbuses,

regardless of how thay look in the eyes of the world.

I'm sure they are all drug addicts and criminals.

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They aren't able to control their airspace because of Pro Russian militias backed and equiped by Moscow, which let wide open its frontier with Ukraine.

They aren't able to control their airspace because they were dumb enough to let separatism raise instead of negotiations with population of eastern Ukraine and admitting at least part of their demands. But hell no, why listen to own population? It's better to move army and paramilitary batallions to opress it.

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Basically pro-Russian did shot down MH17 nothing else matters. It probably didn't happen if Russia didn't sponsor crimea cessation from Ukraine. It probably didn't happen if the cease fire was extended longer. Any of those didn't matter. Pro-Russian rebels shot down MH17. It didn't matter if the SAM supplied from Russia or stolen from Ukraine.

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looks like those separatist are complete idiots - all they do is shelling towns, killing civilians, shutting down airbuses,

regardless of how thay look in the eyes of the world.

I'm sure they are all drug addicts and criminals.

In fact no one shoot down an airbus in Ukraine.

We are talking about who shoot down the civilian Malaysian airlines Boeing 777 flight MH17.

And at this point we know that there is only one side that has shoot down planes over Ukraine, the pro-Russian. Fact that have been widely recognized by them, you can even read some of their messages saying that they are proud of it ( some now deleted, were referring to that specific plane ).

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I've seen that videos and compared them with maps so you can't say for sure those Grads were on Russian territory. That's it.

About tracks... Maybe you are super-expert that can distinguish tracks from average Ural or KaMAZ truck (that can be either military or civil) and Grad launchers but I can't.

Even if those Grads were really stationed in Russian territory - then it's good answer on numerous artillery attacks and armor driving from Ukraine (I'd remind you that a number of people were killed and wounded as a result). We are learning fast from 'civilized world' like Israel how to react on artillery attacks at us. I'd repeat, we should have performed a strike long before - when UNA-UNSO nationalists appeared in Chechnya in masses. Like every 'civilized' country would do.

Are you kidding me? The given Goolgle Earth location was exactly the the one in the video. They even have the exact position in google streetview and you can see that it is completely exactly the same. The google street view picture was even taken during the same season.

looks like those separatist are complete idiots - all they do is shelling towns, killing civilians, shutting down airbuses,

regardless of how thay look in the eyes of the world.

I'm sure they are all drug addicts and criminals.

You should look up at some of the interviews with the separatists, especially with Gubarev. He is a complete retard and can't even speak freely or answer simple questions without having to think for a few minutes. The only thing he can say wihout stuttering is "Death to the nazi fashists!" or "We will drown them in blood". And people can seriously call him their leader?

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http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/12/north-korea-media-tells-country-that-its-team-has-reached-world-cup-final-4796033/

probably after Russian "investigation" they will tell that it was fault of drunken Malesian pilot who was Ukrainian agent and he caused accident and of course Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian secret services took part in this as well to make harm to poor innocent Russia, probably CIA was there too

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One more interesting notice: seems that plane was damaged by HE-rod warhead typically used in air-to-air missile rather than by HE-Frag one used in surface-to-air missiles.

Basically pro-Russian did shot down MH17 nothing else matters. It probably didn't happen if Russia didn't sponsor crimea cessation from Ukraine. It probably didn't happen if the cease fire was extended longer. Any of those didn't matter. Pro-Russian rebels shot down MH17. It didn't matter if the SAM supplied from Russia or stolen from Ukraine.

Are you ICAO official or CIA senior officer to make such dogmatical statement? How will you react if official comission will say something other?

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The BBC's Daniel Sandford has tweeted this photo from the crash site of the first OSCE team arriving.

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About the actual facts:

- We know that pro-Russians are supported widely by the Kremlin ( you only have to check the Russian public media these last months ).

- We know that the only side that has planes it's the Ukraine's Army ( and Russia, although not intervention has been proven ).

- We know too that the only side that has shoot down planes ( and also recognize it ) are the pro-Russians.

- We know that most of the pro-Russian leaders are Russian Citizens, born in Russia or with strong links to Russia.

- We also know that the Ukrainian Military Air control knew about that flight, where it came from and what was the nature of the flight.

- We lately know that the ground-to-air missile that shoot down the plane was shoot down from the pro-Russian territory ( where the rests of the plane also land ).

- And last but not least that the Russian missile that has more probabilities to have been the one to shoot down the plane was Russian made and complex.

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Spooky you are blind and way beyond reasoning....

BTW everybody who at this point to know what type of warhead wss used is plain and simply lying....

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There are already videos of the Buk system near Snizhnie, in rebel territory:

http://cs620617.vk.me/v620617799/11fe3/amxYLvs358w.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU5NSSzYygk

One TEL. That's all. And to use Buk on its full abilities you need radar too. Where's it?

So you accept the possibility that the separatists may have at least some components of a Buk system.

Alas, you made a little mistake in your attempt to identify that vehicle in the picture, it is not a TEL but a TELAR, so a launcher with radar, capable of autonomous operation:

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The 9S35 Fire Dome provides a limited search and acquisition capability, a tracking capability and CW illumination for terminal guidance of the semi-active homing SAM seekers.

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Operating autonomously, the 9S35 will take 4 seconds to sweep a 120° sector, with an elevation of 6° to 7°.

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That clarifies things:

18:00: Donetsk rebel leader Alexander Borodai has tweeted to say that another senior rebel figure in Donetsk, Denis Pushilin, has resigned. No explanation given.

If you don't think that the BBC or Twitter are reliable, you can read:

( Gazeta.ru ) Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐŸÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð»Ð¸Ð½ ушел в отÑтавку

Chairman of the Supreme Council of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk Denis Pushilin dismissed at his own request. On it informs "Interfax" referring to Vladimir Makowicz, Vice Speaker of the Parliament of DNR.

According Makowicz, Pushilin is currently in Moscow.

"He sent a letter addressed to me with a request for resignation from his post at his own request. At the council session the question was put to the vote. MPs supported the resignation Pushilin "- said Makovich.

Duties Parliament Speaker Vladimir Makovich DNR performs.

Denis Pushilin served as Chairman of the Supreme Council of the People's Republic of Donetsk breakaway from 11 May 2014.

( ITAR TASS ) ПредÑедатель Верховного Ñовета провозглашенной ДÐР Пушилин оÑтавил Ñвой поÑÑ‚

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