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Beta patch rev. 89942 released

Changelog:

Collective control would sometimes be fully lost until restarting the game

Auto-hover was causing loss of power during sling loading

We would have your feedback on whether this version fixes the loss of collective controls introduced in the previous version (CIT issue). We were unable to reproduce it on any of our PCs, so this is a blind fix. Thanks!

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I have tried to replicate the 'collective bug' in this and the last beta, and so far, I have also failed to 'lose' the collective control.

One thing I have noticed is that while flying in cockpit view, the cockpit disappears for a second (actually less than that). It's not the whole screen, just the cockpit. When it disappears, you can see the scenery almost as if it is a 'no cockpit' view. There's no partcular mission it does it in, it can be an editor session, a scenario, time trial etc. It does do it consistantly though. I'll try and you-tube it later when the kids are in bed.

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I have the same problem with the disappearing cockpit. It was present in the previous beta as well. You may also notice the scenery disappear from time to time.

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Did you fly on an A2 or an A2 Addon map? I had the cockpit-disappear-issue with those maps since the game is released.

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Not for me. Vanilla ToH with latest patch and latest beta.

Likewise. Seems to happen all over Seattle - particularly in the downtown area.

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Created a CIT for the cockpit flickering #29012

See the effect in the following video at 45 seconds and again at 1 minute

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I've had cockpit disappear for second or less in vanilla TKOH and vanilla A2:OA for year(s). Luckily it doesn't happen too frequently.

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Since the cockpit flickering is again one of those issues we don't see happen a lot in-house, let's try to find a pattern in hardware and software. Please can those who see this happen post information about HW, SW and settings in TKOH (in the CIT ticket or here)? If we can link it to a specific settings (e.g. PiP), it will be more feasible to track down.

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Just to make sure its not missing: Its said to happen also in OA.

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Since the cockpit flickering is again one of those issues we don't see happen a lot in-house, let's try to find a pattern in hardware and software. Please can those who see this happen post information about HW, SW and settings in TKOH (in the CIT ticket or here)? If we can link it to a specific settings (e.g. PiP), it will be more feasible to track down.

I see the occasional cockpit flickering. See signature for settings.

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I'm not sure if 'collective bug' is related to my 'spinning bug', but my problem is still there. I can easily reproduced it in every betapatch since then.

I would not call it collective bug, because everything is very sensitive, collective is still working, but helicopter is spinning (same behaver like already fixed 88779 bug ), what help is turn off motor, even when I fly, then helicopter stop spinning and I can land with autorotation (usually it ends with crash :p). It seems that flight model goes crazy. I even reinstall game, no change :(.

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WRT cockpit flickering, see spoiler for profile, cfg and system settings...

Once thing worth pointing out - I don't emember any flickering from patch 1.03 (or if it was there it was rare enough that I didn't notice it) so this appears to be an effect that was made worse during the beta tweaking. Tweaking with the graphics settings doesn't seem to do much to affect it either.

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Edited by sbsmac

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I'm not sure if 'collective bug' is related to my 'spinning bug', but my problem is still there. I can easily reproduced it in every betapatch since then.

I would not call it collective bug, because everything is very sensitive, collective is still working, but helicopter is spinning (same behaver like already fixed 88779 bug ), what help is turn off motor, even when I fly, then helicopter stop spinning and I can land with autorotation (usually it ends with crash :p). It seems that flight model goes crazy. I even reinstall game, no change :(.

I have reported the spinning problem several times, and it still exists in this beta. It is rather rare, but I think it occurs when slowing down to land and the analog collective controls are used to reduce collective to 0 temporarily to lose altitude. If that control is held too long, the heli (medium only) goes into hard right spin which can sometimes be stopped by autohover or by holding down left pedal. The heli is completely unflyable when the spin happens, and you will either crash or spin in place forever at ~1 rev/sec. This never happened before 1.04 betas, and is obviously related to the 1.04 RTD FM for medium heli. I have vids of it, but haven't uploaded them.

Is this spin a bug or a feature? Seems like a problem to me. Does the spin result from the heli becoming damaged in some way?

Edited by OMAC

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I can re-create the spinning bug every time:

1. In the editor, place a medium civil helo anywhere and set it to flying.

2. Raise the collective slowly to full to gain some height.

3. Lower the collective all the way down - slowly, maintaining control with pedal.

4. Bring the collective all the way up again - the helo will start to sping wildly and no amount of pedal can counter it. There seems to be a 'trigger point' during the collective raising manouver that sets it off - for me this is just before 100% collective up.

EDIT--> Tested with a Logitech G940 Joystick/Throttle/Pedal system.

Did someone raise a ticket for this? I can't see anything related at dev heaven.

Not sure how often this would manifest in real situations - it seems that normal approach and landing are OK

Edited by Jedra

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The use of analog collective controls can apparently cause the spinning more readily, as it instantly sets collective to max or min temporarily, as long as the keys are held, which may jar the system in some way, causing damage or a bug. Such keys have been vital for me to speed or slow descent on landings w/o autohover. I've never seen a ticket for this issue either, but it has been present since the first 1.04 beta, yet in varying degrees of severity.

Edited by OMAC

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Unfortunately this version breaks compatibility with the latest Linux DS (the beta is now marked as 1.04 whereas the Linux DS is still 1.03). Any chance we might see an updated Linux DS beta soonâ„¢?

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Yes, Linux server to be distributed once the final patch is released :)

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