Raised weapon sights

[jackthe®ipper]

I know quite a few people, and my self, have problems firing from the prone while lying in even short grass. A large part of the problem seems to me that instead of raising the weapon when you right click, your sight actually lowers down to the weapon.
Now Im guessing this may be an engine limitation or something, but i would personally suggest having the weapon raised to a higher position when prone so seeing over the grass is easier. This has really been bugging me lately.

[galzohar]

It makes sense that the weapon stays in the same place while your head goes down to your weapon, that's what would happen IRL if you'd be holding your weapon in a firing position but not aiming, which is what the Arma 2 soldiers are doing, and which is why you can fire with reasonable accuracy (in terms of how stable the weapon is, not in terms of knowing where your bullets are going to hit, though with no crosshairs you know that as well) when you're not aiming.

The problems with grass are:
1. Grass in most places is ridiculously high.
2. There is no way to "raise" your stance a bit so that you are higher than normal (like standing "more straight" or raising your elbows a bit when prone, at the appropriate cost to weapon stability).
3. There is no (practical) way to pull away the grass in front of you so you can maybe see something, only thing you can do is crawl all over the place to level it with your body which is just not that practical.

[NkEnNy]

I've been taught to bring the weapon sights INTO my field of view -- not the opposite. That way I merely need to look at what I'm targeting and not disrupt my sight picture by crouching/moving head/etc down to meet the weapon.

Problem is the animations are not consistent with expectations -- there are no animations for going "into" ironsights mode.

-k

[MirindoR]

, only thing you can do is crawl all over the place to level it with your body which is just not that practical.

yep thats what i do, its not that bad tbh

[Hund]

He means from the prone, NkEnNy - no way to bring up your weapon in that position since your elbows are resting on the ground.

But for standing/crouching you are right.

I don't know if it would be possible to fix this up with an addon, or even if it would produce the desired effect if you did. A remedial fix would be to not get into fights on open grass fields, i guess

[NkEnNy]

@Hund

Your absolutely right -- I'm a muppet for not reading closer. Even so the lack of 'enter ironsights' mode is part of the problem.

-k

[ladlon]

In another thread, I had suggested that they put in a 'briefly crane your head up for a better look' command (...body stays where it is, but the head/view goes up and lets you look around a bit).

More ideal would be the ability to raise your head up/down in freelook... both with the ALT key and with TrackIR.

But, that doesn't exactly address your concern... but maybe it could be incorporated towards a solution.

If the grass is just too high for you, I'm told there are mods to reduce the height.

[Alex72]

ladlon: You should take some time and read the forum. Suggestions and extensive talks about moving our heads/upperbody a bit more has been discussed a lot.

And suggestions here is more for discussion - not as a proper suggestion for game changes. You all know where thats done.

[ladlon]

Be fair, I'm agreeing with the suggestion. The other things are me just mentioning various other options, etc. I'm not going into detail or anything. Just mentioning things in passing.

[CarlGustaffa]

3. You can roll in the grass in front of you to flatten it, but the effect seems to last too shortly. Should last longer, and maybe dependent on wind. Another scripted approach would be to enable certain classes the ability to put down a "grasscutter" object, to simulate a prepped firing position. Vanilla Arma2 doesn't have this anymore (ACE does), but you can use createVehicle "HeliH" and remove its graphics.

Simply agree with the other two ACE does give you "rest weapon" which is nice, but there is too little general weapon sway to make the function particularly useful for regular riflemen.