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    Quote Originally Posted by Emberwolf View Post
    Regarding subsimming, probably the best thing is to get SH3, install GWX, and cope with not having a first person submarine tour which will likely get old after 5 minutes anyway.
    You mean apart from the Starforce protection? I only bought SH3 after there was a "solution" for Starforce.

    Oh, and I don't think the first person feature is the thing that the Silent Hunter franchise is most valued for like a lot of the best sims, SH is a slow-burner with flurries of extreme excitement
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    Quote Originally Posted by ch_123 View Post

    Anyways, I echo Baff's sentiments - Ubisoft are shit. I never forgave them for what they did to Rainbow Six...
    Amen brother - I still play Raven Shield (some great audio there). Lockdown and beyond are a bloody travesty.
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  3. #23
    snippets from ubisoft OSP Q&A:

    Can I resell my game?
    Not at this time.

    Can I resell my game along with my Ubisoft account?
    Your Ubisoft account features your personal data and cannot be given or sold to anyone.

    How does Ubisoft use my personal information? How can I control which data is actually provided to Ubisoft?
    Ubisoft uses information provided by its customers only to ensure our services run properly for an optimal gameplay experience - including the customer service. Ubisoft does not use personal information for any other purposes, unless you have explicitly accepted for us to do so.

    Why is Ubisoft forcing their loyal customers to sign up for a Ubisoft account when they don't want to give their private data and only play single player games?
    We hope that customers will feel as we do, that signing up for an account will offer them exceptional gameplay and services that are not available otherwise.
    ... nice. I especially like the last one. The honesty in all this is just heart warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMarkwick View Post
    Aside from Steam's online verification method (which seems to work), I don't know that there's any evidence that limiting installs is in any way effective.
    Not in context with piracy .. but reselling, give-away, etc. If all activations are used up, i bet you could buy a new set. Customer service .
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    These days I'm wondering how my favourite platform still survives,3 factors will continue to damage pc gaming.
    1.Pirates that pirate everything they could get their dirty hands on,at least some have the decency to just admit it instead of inserting pathethic excuses like "but it was a bad game anyway",oh yeah?How about you don't friggin play it if it was so bad.

    2.M$ that doens't give a shit about the platform and if that is not enough they even actively sabotage it by paying devs to release their games on X360first and then on pc(6 months delay or longer) or just simply cancel the pc version(look at Alan Wake fiasco,GOW2 and many others).

    3.Companies like Ubisoft that put very restrictive drm on their games.Seeing this in 2010 I'm wondering if the suits are really idiots or just retards with diplomas.Even a kid will understand that everything gets cracked and with this new DRM I'm wondering if those who still wanted to buy a game will simply run towards the pirate version or simply will not give a fuck about the game.Pathethic enough I believe in this case the pirate version will be better since will not have any sort of this UBI crap.

    These are the 3 factors that is killing this platform.Which is actually worse since this is a very vicious circle,people will pirate even more "hey this game is crap anyway and these people stop me from playing their stuff with their nazi drm",UBI and the suits will be like "well damn dude again they're pirating the crap out of our games,we need a new DRM for our already draconian DRM" and the role of M$ in all this story?Well they actually don't give a crap since the big corporations will buy their Windows and that brings them more money than me,you and other average joe will when buying a license.For the games part they have X360.

    Let's just hope we don't end up like Mac gaming.Too bad about AC2 and Settlers 7,I was looking forward to these games.Even SC:Conviction made me interested a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krycek View Post
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    Point 3 only further reinforces point 1.

    So, people will pay $50 to get more annoyance when they can just click a few buttons and get the same deal for free without it? What are the CEO's thinking with?

  6. #26
    How is it not illegal to "lock" something you buy / own so you can never sell it.

    Its a consumers legal right to be able to sell something they own / they have purchased, either today or in 10 years.
    So long as it leaves your ownership and 100% transfers to another person, its legal.

    Imagine it you bought a car or a book or a TV or a CD, and the supplier said you may never ever sell it at any time!
    Or in 5 years its been disabled!
    Send in the lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [APS]Gnat View Post
    How is it not illegal to "lock" something you buy / own so you can never sell it.

    Its a consumers legal right to be able to sell something they own / they have purchased.
    So long as it leaves your ownership and 100% transfers to another person, its legal.

    Imagine it you bought a car or a book or a TV or a CD, and the supplier said you may never ever sell it at any time!
    Send in the lawyers.
    Ostensibly, I agree with that sentiment. The fact is that regarding software, you never actually "own" it. You only pay to use it. Specifically, you pay for a license to use it, which is why every software release thinks it's important for you to read the license agreement

    You can apparently do what you like with the disc, the instruction manual, the cover etc, but the *actual* software is a different matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krycek View Post
    These days I'm wondering how my favourite platform still survives,3 factors will continue to damage pc gaming.
    1.Pirates that pirate everything they could get...
    Some pirates pirate everything they can get. No amount of DRM or cheapness of product will ever touch these guys, pirating anything they can is their raison d'etre.

    2.M$ that doens't give a shit about the platform and if that is not enough they even actively sabotage...
    MS does what MS does, I don't see why that affects anyone else.

    3.Companies like Ubisoft that put very restrictive drm on their games...
    The problem is not with the "pirate anything" pirates as discussed in point #1, the problem is with the casual pirate who says something like "oh yeah I always download it first, then pay for it later if it's good". That's the cop-out, because they simply do not. They SAY they do/will, but they do not. Why buy something you already have?

    These are the 3 factors that is killing this platform.Which is actually worse since this is a very vicious circle...
    I'm detecting a little rantage here so I guess I'll just leave it at that

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    I don't really understand the mentalty behind DRM these days. Far as I know, every attempt to enforce DRM, since the 90's, have been futile until now. You couldn't imagen how much money publishers have invested in ineffective DRMs since that time. They of all people should know unproductive investments, and DRM sure is one of those investments.

    Taking out DRM of the equation, what do they have to lose that hasn't already happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colossus View Post
    I don't really understand the mentalty behind DRM these days. Far as I know, every attempt to enforce DRM, since the 90's, have been futile until now. You couldn't imagen how much money publishers have invested in ineffective DRMs since that time. They of all people should know unproductive invesments, and DRM sure is one of those investments.

    Taking out DRM of the equation, what do they have to lose that hasn't already happened?
    I think they know eventually it will get cracked but all it matters is when,new games tend to sell by the shitload in the first month.If they could delay the cracked version to hit the torrents on launch day with the help of DRM then they get more money.Every day from that point on that the DRM still isn't cracked it's a big plus for them.

    I don't think they use these protections to stop the pirates,only delay them as long as they can because most of the gamers and especially the kids will not have the patience and will buy the game.

    In general that's why I can't agree with those who says that piracy doesn't affect things,well it does and big time at least concerning the pc gaming segment,imagine if no crackers or torrent sites exist how will those people who pirate everything will get their fix?Simple,some will find another hobby and the others will simply buy it.

    @DMarkwick,I include M$ because they are part of this poison,I don't give a crap if they don't care about the pc gaming,but I do have a problem when they pay devs for exclusive games on their console and delaying or cancelling the pc version.Yes it's alright to do that for PS3 because they are their direct competitors but don't fuck up your own platforms.How many people just gave up and bought a X360 for a game that was launching months later on pc or not at all after the console version was out?!

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Krycek View Post
    How many people just gave up and bought a X360 for a game that was launching months later on pc or not at all after the console version was out?!
    I have no idea, and I doubt anyone has. Such a notion would be pure conjecture. If a person cannot wait a few weeks for a simple game without instantly buying the console that it IS released on, that person would be in a tiny minority I reckon.

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