ArmA 2 vs Project reality?

[Sirex1]

Hi!

I am a really big fan of realism games or just true stratic games. I love to play on big servers with lots of people with an unfogiving game and lots of teamwork. The games i have played to date that have this functions in fps are project reality (BF2 mod), söldner (only played like the demo but loved it), ww2 online (i have not played this but am very interetsed about it) and empires (a half-life 2 mod which is basicly an rts, you have free infantry (these are players) and research better tanks and vehicle factorys where tanks (controlled by players) cost resourses points that are gained by holding and building certain resourse points on the map, but every unit is player controlled and you have one commander on each team, quite fun and quite strategical and tactical if you have a good team which can use squads effective but not realistic).

Firstly i have been chosing between OPF2: DR and Arma2 to try to found out which is best as in more true to the orginal. And i think it is Arma2, if not only becouse OPF2: DR has only 16 player multiplayer max.

And i have some question first about Arma2 multiplayer. What is the max player amount on servers? I have only seen the number 50 on reviews, and honestly thats a really low number considering that the hl2 mod empires can play with 64 players and that is with the bloody hl2 orange engine that is very old compeared to this game and mainly made for indoors! But i have seen on this forum the mention of 100 player server, is that true? How often are there actaully 100 players thar are like full? How is team work?

Also no matter how hard i scan the internet reviews and this forum i can't seem to find any information on multiplayer modes for this game, or the multiplayer experience for that matter!

The closet to reality i have played is the BF2 mod project reality. It is really well made with the squad system and having a commander whos only real function is actually to controll their teams movement opposed to the rts building commander of Empires and one hit near fatally wounded system.

So i am mainly woundering what players who have played Arma 2 and Project reality feel about the games and how they compear. Which games offers on avereage more teamwork? Which game is more "epic" to play, for example it is not unusual for a project reality game to last over 2 hours sometimes with 64 players. Also a big question is the server max player, bf2 "only" allows 64 players and i think thats a bit few, but i have heard that Arma 2 can counter this by allowing players to have mini AI platoons/companies in multiplayer?

Also as a sidenote if anyone has had any experience with the mmo game ww2 online please give your views on how the games compears! I mean ww2 online is a mmofps and truly tactical so that could be an option if this games, according to my views, is "worse" then the mod Project reality.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answer !

(Side note i have done my mandatory national military training service in the Swedish army as an mechanised infantry attack soldier for 11 months so i know what is realistic and what is not).

[JW Custom]

For a starter try the demo to get a general idea of what ArmA 2 is. That said ArmA 2 has much more than the demo offers.

[.kju [PvPscene]]

Sirex1 there is already a good thread just about this very topic.
Use the forum search and you shall find.

[EDcase]

Hi and welcome Sirex1,

First off forget OFP|DR (I have it). Codemasters own the name and produced it as a console game (which is realistic for them) then was directly ported to PC. It looks nice but gameplay is VERY basic. The true soul of OFP was created by BIS and lives on in ARMA2.

I haven't played WW2|Online but was quite interested myself but its too big I think and the fact of subscription put me off. Plus it looks terrible (which is understandable given the scale)

Not played BF2|Reality but looks like a slightly better version of BF2. Hmmm..

I think ARMA2 has all the elements of a realistic battlefield simulation that you are looking for. It has some quirks but since patch 1.04 many things have been fixed.
There is exactly the MP game you describe called WARFARE which mixes RealTimeStrategy elements of building forces etc.
Max players is limited only by server power and now with the new linux server available max players should increase. Duno what is max players currently.

As JW Custom said, "Get the demo" to try and make sure it runs OK on your machine. (Needs quite a good machine to run well)

Do a google search for VBS and VBS2. That should tell you if its where you want to go

[amadieus]

You can have unlimited people on the servers in Arma2 if you want ofcourse but 100 as maximum is recomended.

CO-OP is most popular
You can play Campaign in COOP up to 4 persons.
People also create there own missions for CO-OP
You also got warfare, where you got a commander (ai or real person) wich builds bases to create units (RTS STYLE) and the other players to capture towns, its a battle between US and Russia these servers mostly consist of 32 person but every person van have AI with them up to 11.
you got Deathmatch-HOLD-AAS and alot more minor game modes.

[Sirex1]

For a starter try the demo to get a general idea of what ArmA 2 is. That said ArmA 2 has much more than the demo offers.

I have downloaded the demo but it don't answer my multiplayer questions since there is only like 3 multiplayer server with acceptable ping. And i liked the demo, just it took some time before i figured out that tring to play in firstperson is not viable since it becomes to hard to see what your squad buddies rambo offs to, even with numpad view and hold alt view.

Sirex1 there is already a good thread just about this very topic.
Use the forum search and you shall find.

Searched for project reality but didn't see a versus thread.

Hi and welcome Sirex1,

First off forget OFP|DR (I have it). Codemasters own the name and produced it as a console game (which is realistic for them) then was directly ported to PC. It looks nice but gameplay is VERY basic. The true soul of OFP was created by BIS and lives on in ARMA2.

I haven't played WW2|Online but was quite interested myself but its too big I think and the fact of subscription put me off. Plus it looks terrible (which is understandable given the scale)

Not played BF2|Reality but looks like a slightly better version of BF2. Hmmm..

I think ARMA2 has all the elements of a realistic battlefield simulation that you are looking for. It has some quirks but since patch 1.04 many things have been fixed.
There is exactly the MP game you describe called WARFARE which mixes RealTimeStrategy elements of building forces etc.
Max players is limited only by server power and now with the new linux server available max players should increase. Duno what is max players currently.

As JW Custom said, "Get the demo" to try and make sure it runs OK on your machine. (Needs quite a good machine to run well)

Do a google search for VBS and VBS2. That should tell you if its where you want to go

Hi thanks for the welcomming .

Yeah i think i forget about OPF2: DR. Yeah ww2 online seems really interesting, i have thought of getting some friends to trail it with me when we have the time. Projectreality is a really good mod and is nothing like the arcade BF2 main game.

Arma 2 seems to be my type of multiplayer game, but i have a real hard time to found any solid information of how the multiplayer actually is and that's why i had so many questions about it.

Yeah i got the demo but it can't give a good view about the multiplayer, even though i like the single player pretty much, havn't really tested the command aspects yet though. And my system runs it quite well on very high . AMD Phenom 2 x4 BE 3.0ghz, Powercolour Radeon 4870X2 4gig 1066mhz ram.

You can have unlimited people on the servers in Arma2 if you want ofcourse but 100 as maximum is recomended.

CO-OP is most popular
You can play Campaign in COOP up to 4 persons.
People also create there own missions for CO-OP
You also got warfare, where you got a commander (ai or real person) wich builds bases to create units (RTS STYLE) and the other players to capture towns, its a battle between US and Russia these servers mostly consist of 32 person but every person van have AI with them up to 11.
you got Deathmatch-HOLD-AAS and alot more minor game modes.

I am glad to hear that it is no developer artificall max player setting!

Thanks for the information, what other game mode exist? How advance is the chain of command and how respected is it on avereage? 32 persons totally or on each team? Do we have any refernce page for the multiplayer modes or a site where i can read about typical multiplayer experinces?

I am very intereste to read more about the Warfare mode, how popular is it? Are there similar modes with more players? Is there any mode which actually plays with 100 people or close to that number on a regualuar basis? How does the AI work with vehicles, can you have one guy commanding a tank platoon with the team commander commanding him and it actually works?

Also i still would want views from people who has played Project reality and or ww2 online and this game.

Thanks everyone for answering so quikly .

[EDcase]

If you want proper stuctured gaming head over here and look for a clan that you like:
http://forums.bistudio.com/forumdisplay.php?f=90

This is an example of GOL clan co-op:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQn3av7Ul3g

[Sirex1]

If you want proper stuctured gaming head over here and look for a clan that you like:
http://forums.bistudio.com/forumdisplay.php?f=90

This is an example of GOL clan co-op:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQn3av7Ul3g

Thanks for the links, i liked the video! Will think of joining when if i get the game. Even though i will try to join a Swedish squad, USA and brittish has such strange combat proceduers i think.

[amadieus]

I have downloaded the demo but it don't answer my multiplayer questions since there is only like 3 multiplayer server with acceptable ping. And i liked the demo, just it took some time before i figured out that tring to play in firstperson is not viable since it becomes to hard to see what your squad buddies rambo offs to, even with numpad view and hold alt view.


Searched for project reality but didn't see a versus thread.



Hi thanks for the welcomming .

Yeah i think i forget about OPF2: DR. Yeah ww2 online seems really interesting, i have thought of getting some friends to trail it with me when we have the time. Projectreality is a really good mod and is nothing like the arcade BF2 main game.

Arma 2 seems to be my type of multiplayer game, but i have a real hard time to found any solid information of how the multiplayer actually is and that's why i had so many questions about it.

Yeah i got the demo but it can't give a good view about the multiplayer, even though i like the single player pretty much, havn't really tested the command aspects yet though. And my system runs it quite well on very high . AMD Phenom 2 x4 BE 3.0ghz, Powercolour Radeon 4870X2 4gig 1066mhz ram.


I am glad to hear that it is no developer artificall max player setting!

Thanks for the information, what other game mode exist? How advance is the chain of command and how respected is it on avereage? 32 persons totally or on each team? Do we have any refernce page for the multiplayer modes or a site where i can read about typical multiplayer experinces?

I am very intereste to read more about the Warfare mode, how popular is it? Are there similar modes with more players? Is there any mode which actually plays with 100 people or close to that number on a regualuar basis? How does the AI work with vehicles, can you have one guy commanding a tank platoon with the team commander commanding him and it actually works?

Also i still would want views from people who has played Project reality and or ww2 online and this game.

Thanks everyone for answering so quikly .

32 Total

Warfare is the most popular game mode after CO-OP

In Warfare 32 on server is Maximum as far all servers go.

The commander is elected by votes.

You work with a money and supplies system, you get money over time and by killing-destroying enemy's. You get supplies by sending a supply truck to a captured town.

You need both money and supplies to build bases- money only for defenses and units.

In Warfare you got the commander who builds bases like i sayd before and who can give orders to other players/ai.

In warfare you always control a group(platoon), you can buy every type of soldier -rifleman-At soldier-A soldier-Spec ops-
You can also buy tanks-planes-choppers, with AI inside them or not.

gtg go now but heres a site with more info.

http://forums.bistudio.com/forumdisplay.php?f=79

Warfare forums from Arma 2

http://www.armedassault.com/warfare.html

Manual at the bottom of the web page.

[galzohar]

In terms of realism, the games aren't even close. The BF2 engine simply doesn't allow much in this aspect in general, and especially when it comes to shooting. Not that Arma 2's shooting is perfect at all, but it's heaps better than the shooting in PR.

When it comes to finding people to play with on public servers, I don't have much experience with this aspect of PR, but from what I hear from PR players it's much better there than here.