Very disappointed with Editor interface Non user friendly

[Flash Thunder]

First off I want to say this game is amazing BIS.

I'm having alot of issues in the Editor section of Arma 2, I own a physical copy of the game and spent 50 dollars so I can easily edit missions and etc.

Some of the basic features like weapon loadouts are incredibly difficult to use due to the Developers using script commands, now I'm not going to learn scripting just so I can edit loadouts and stuff for my mission that is not acceptable. BIS you can't possilby think that all of your customers are going to learn how to script do you???

Basically why would you make about 70% (Just a random number) of the editor require extensive amounts of scripting knowledge?

It would've been really handy if you had a weapons loadout tab inside the editor so we can simply choose our weapon, attachments, equipment, this scripting takes too much time and usually always doesnt work for me.

Overall BIS if you want to make the game more accessible like you claim, you need to simplify the Interface for the editor.

I have tried Wolle code thread but im having issues everytime I load up.

If someone can help me, I would like to spawn with an M4A1 SOPMOD SD.

What I think BIS can do to easily improve the Editor Interface:

* Add Weapon loadout tab for Units layer with pictures of weapons, attachments ect all labeled.

* Add presets commands and scripts in a Presets tab.

* Add a directory for items, packages built in, Directory Tab

* Help tab and FAQ would be much appreciated.

As another member pointed out on the back of Arma 2's Box, it says "Mission Editor- Design your own missions by the intuitive, easy-to-use mission editor and become part of one of the biggest and most creative PC gaming community ever.

The Mission editor is intuitive no doubt but still has alot of shortcomings, Easy to use to setup simple missions as did Jan in the Developer Diary 2 video, but if you want to make some missions involving alot of action and triggers and special objectives, be prepared to learn to some extent scripting which is not even mentioned on the Box, under easy to use mission editor. Which Defends my complaint as not being totally user friendly as the Box Advertises.

I also think that the quote above is only talking to the people who have extensive knowledge of scriping.

Edit: People that still flame me, have no use to post in this thread. Help, stories. NO FLAMING.

Edit: Special Thanks to: DeadFast, Jaenus, Kju, Kylania, Tractorking, and BeerHunter.

Wolle you can close this thread but keep it up, because alot of your customers might have the same complaint and or question.

[Defunkt]

You're dumb and you need to learn scripting.

[kylania]

now I'm not going to learn scripting just so I can edit loadouts and stuff for my mission that is not acceptable.

Why are you here than?

If you're completely unwilling to learn, as it so appears, just wait for someone else to do all the work for you. There's already some loadout interfaces out there already. You do need to search for them however, bugger.

Now mind you, they won't be a simple cut/paste to add them to your missions I'm sure, so I guess that's right out. Well, yeah, you're kinda screwed with your attitude. Sorry.

Not that it matters, but ArmAEdit has a loadout UI as part of it's interface. *shrug*

Here's your work for you:

; ****************************************************************
; Custom unit script for Armed Assault
; Created with ArmA Edit - Version 1.3.4000
; HELP: Run this script from the INITIALIZATION box of the unit.
; CODE: [this] exec "myUnit.sqs"
; ****************************************************************

; Get the unit parameter given
_unit = _this select 0

; Strip the units current gear
removeAllWeapons _unit

; Add the new gear to the unit
_unit addMagazine "LaserBatteries"
_unit addMagazine "30Rnd_556x45_StanagSD"
_unit addMagazine "30Rnd_556x45_StanagSD"
_unit addMagazine "30Rnd_556x45_StanagSD"
_unit addMagazine "30Rnd_556x45_StanagSD"
_unit addMagazine "30Rnd_556x45_StanagSD"
_unit addMagazine "30Rnd_556x45_StanagSD"
_unit addWeapon "M4A1_HWS_GL_SD_Camo"
_unit selectWeapon "M4A1_HWS_GL_SD_Camo"
_unit addWeapon "LaserDesignator"
_unit addMagazine "15Rnd_9x19_M9SD"
_unit addMagazine "15Rnd_9x19_M9SD"
_unit addMagazine "15Rnd_9x19_M9SD"
_unit addWeapon "M9SD"
_unit addMagazine "1Rnd_HE_M203";
_unit addMagazine "1Rnd_HE_M203";
_unit addMagazine "1Rnd_HE_M203";
_unit addMagazine "1Rnd_HE_M203";
_unit addMagazine "1Rnd_HE_M203";
_unit addMagazine "SmokeShell"
_unit addMagazine "PipeBomb"
_unit addMagazine "PipeBomb"
_unit addWeapon "ItemGPS"
_unit addWeapon "NVGoggles"

Exit 

[Flash Thunder]

What attitude, Im a customer buying a product, Im not going to go out of my way to learn complex scripting, I spent money on what I thought was an acessible editor.

Sure I'll wait for people to do the documentation and scripting for me.

I have a right as a customer of BIS to give them complaints and constructive feedback note how I never said the game was bad or anything, people like you're scared to voice your opinions and it gets you nothing.

By the way reported Defunkt

Now if I get banned for making a simple thread to help BIS out that would come across to any customer a bad business model.

Therefore I wouldn't buy any BIS products again.

[kylania]

What attitude, Im a customer buying a product, Im not going to go out of my way to learn complex scripting, I spent money on what I thought was an acessible editor.

I highly doubt you went to the store and told the clerk, "I sure am happy to he purchasing an accessible editor with this game!"

Sure I'll wait for people to do the documentation and scripting for me.

You're in luck, I did. See my edit above.

I have a right as a customer of BIS to give them complaints and constructive feedback note how I never said the game was bad or anything, people like you're scared to voice your opinions and it gets you nothing.

You need to realize that THIS particular forum, ArmA 2 - Mission Editing & Scripting, is NOT BIS Customer Service and Complaints department. It's a forum where helpful end users, and the occasional Dev or Mod, help answer questions by and for other end users. It's totally voluntary.

That's why I can say, "Since Flash Thunder has repeatedly proven himself to be angry, insulting and lazy, I shall never help the poor soul again." And guess what? I just said that. Good day, sir. Enjoy not enjoying ArmA2 since you couldn't put any effort into learning what the heck you were doing.

[Flash Thunder]

You should be a forum moderator,

Not.

I didn't tell the clerk it would've an acessible editor Jan did.

You know the PR guy.

Im sure angry, one complaint will justify that Im angry.

Where can I post my complaints moderator?

[Shuko]

accessible

[Binkowski]

Lol....hasn't changed much since 01'....other than the modules, and some eye candy stuff. Some of the same commands work...also, did you even think of checking the COMREF's? www.ofpec.com has one, also somewhere on the forums there is another. Also, OFPEC.com has a basic tutorial. Where most of your "complaints" or "suggestions" are answered. Also, have you tried Real Time Editor? That's a good thing to try.

[TankCommander]

I suppose the interface could have been improved a bit after all these years... And isn't that where the BIS 3D editor comes in? Hasn't been finished but we can only hope in a future patch that it will be available.

I must admit too that the documentation could be a little better maybe. But don't quote me on that as I can be fairly hopeless at scripting.

[Flash Thunder]

Yeah that 3d editor does sound very promising.

Hopefully it's released in its glory in OA.