goto edit verices and press ctrl A , this selects all, then in drop down you have coice select only below sea level
I fear its time this tutorial was took down now and replaced by new one that are available , it did its duty but now , more work stem from it than to make an terrain .
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what was the solution ... i am facing the same error after following the tutorial @ http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/M...rrain_TutorialOriginally Posted by Sgt.Spoetnik
and after two weeks it is geting borring
i think i did all what i have read any where ... i did setup my O:\ drive with tools and i did setup my P:\ drive with buldozer and so on
i did folders with name tag ... and also without name tag
i did extract arma2oa.exe and rename it to buldozer.exe as also languagecore core ca bin and even product.bin from the 1.6 update after much woerse problems with the original BIS_Tools setup (as described here http://forums.bistudio.com/showthrea...=1#post1856956)
i did try arma2p.bat/cmd to setup my p:\ drive what did end with nothing! (no fail message no success message ... just a window that appears and close later ... even if i run it from CMD)
i did read all configs and and and
if i just run buldozer he starts up with no error (buldozer.exe -buldozer)
i also can use this l3dt tool and import everything correctly in visor3 ... i also did import satmap and layer.cfg and the mask without problem
but when i start buldozer a dos box appears ... and tells me 100 times "C:\Documents and Settings\bxbx\Desktop\Tools\BinMake\BinMake\Pal2Pa cE\Pal2PacE.e
xe returned error 22: Invalid argument"
i dont know this path on my PC with win 7 ... i know O:\Bohemia Interactive\Tools\TexView 2\Pal2PacE.exe .... where can i change this path
i dont find bxbx in any *.cfg or in the registry or any where ... is this path in the *.exe (visor or buldozer) or where?
i guess thats the problem but maybe not or not only
i only like to create a map .. maybe later more ... but i feel like giving up soon (in SWAT i can do a map in less then one day including the tool setup)
... maybe someone can share a working P:\ drive with a ready to go test map where no editing is needed ... only to see it it would theoreticaly work
a map that i can just load in visor and run with buldozer with out editing or *cfg or importing this and that ... just a test map to click and go
it would be very kind!
EDIT:
OK now i found a file on my O:\ drive where i have installed the BIS tools
O:\Bohemia Interactive\Tools\BinMake\binMakeRules.txt
i did edit the file and had to correct the pathes of all tools so that they point at my installation at O:\*\*.exe
i mean every tool path had to be manualy fixed
since that the "C:\Documents and Settings\bxbx\Desktop\Tools\BinMake\BinMake\Pal2Pa cE\Pal2PacE.exe returned error 22: Invalid argument" error did disappear !
now still something seems to be not OK
after converting there was still a missing file message ... but this was now in buldozer and not in the previous CMD window
also the map did now appear ... but it did look somehow not right ... it was one long streched green kind of island
but i get new hope now ... maybe i can now restart some tutorial and maybe i will get my own map in the next 100 years (depends on the next 1001 errors which i will get)
Last edited by VirtualReal; May 25 2012 at 09:58. Reason: update
Hi VirtualReal....
Oh dear! - you've had a pretty negative experience so far!
I'm regretfully thinking that Thromp may be right....
There's some mighty outdated info out there, and I suspect you've followed some of it in good faith, and been led astray...I fear its time this tutorial was took down now and replaced by new one that are available , it did its duty but now , more work stem from it than to make an terrain .
There's no need whatsoever to copy arma2oa.exe, mess with bin or product bin folders, edit BinMakes rules, any of that....!
This one sounds like it wants a Windows user called "bxbx"'s desktop??? - That's seriously not right!when i start buldozer a dos box appears ... and tells me 100 times "C:\Documents and Settings\bxbx\Desktop\Tools
Mondkalbs Tutorial, which you've found and followed, IS up to date, and does (quite quickly) cover all the main aspects of terrainmaking correctly, but as it says itself...
... at this very early beginning stage, sometimes it's nice to actually have every single step and mouseclick explained slowly and in detail!This guide will not explain every single mouseclick that you need to do
You know I'm going to suggest you start again from scratch, don't you?
Sounds like you have an actual physical drive to install the tools on - a drive "O:\" ? - Ideal!
* If you've had a go at starting any little projects yourself that you want to keep - make a backup of them somewhere safe..... then..... Uninstall Everything! Get rid of it all - all the tools, the Virtual P: drive - Everything.....
Reboot and get clean of it all......
* Now - GO HERE... These are the Latest Tools!
(notice how the BI Dev's avatar name is "bxbx"? - somehow, one of the examples you've been following was telling you to install the tools as if you actually were "bxbx" - with a "bxbx" Windows User name and all!.... That's where at least one of your crazy errors was coming from..... we won't let that happen again!!!
Okay - now you have the genuine absolute latest tools.... this means theres NO NEED for any of that messing with arma2oa.exe, or Bin or Core folders - they're plug and play - all the way..... let's plug the buggers, then you can play!!!
You have a drive "O" where you're going to install the tools - that's ideal! A second drive or a partition of about 50GB is fine..... You'll spend all your time working on that Virtual P drive, but the actual contents will be stored in with your tools install.... that's why the default install path of "C:\Documents&Settings\etc is a little less than ideal, but with your "O" drive you're sorted.....
* Make a folder on that "O" drive - call it "BIS TOOLS"
* run the tools installer and install ALL the tools - even if you don't immediately think you need them - install everything, one at a time, and, as you install - set the path for each tool to simply be....
O:\BIS TOOLS\
You should end up with an O:\BIS TOOLS\ folder, and inside will be....
Visitor, Oxygen, BinMake, etc folders.... all the tools.....
Now reboot!!!!!
When you come back, you should have a clean latest tools install in "O:\" and now you should have a virtual "P:\" drive as well, with a load of stuff already installed and setup.....
Next step is to unpack the whole of your game assets to this P:\ drive.... specifically, they all need unpacked to a special "P:\CA\" folder.....
This is what Arma2P does.....
At this stage I'm gonna save myself a lot more typing and point you to This Absolute Beginners Guide...
Check out the first post - use the "Armaholic Mirror - Guide & Source Files Link" link and grab the nice neat .pdf version of the guide, and - while you're there - grab the "Source Files" too....
That's a readymade island source files set - just like you wanted... plug and play and ready to binarize!!!
However - first you need to finish the Game Assets unpacking procedure.....
Read the Guide!!!
Start at the beginning and follow the "I'm an Absolute Beginner - explain everything in painful detail" option!
Follow thru the basic setup procedure to start with.... you're a little ahead - you have the tools installed already - properly!, so you'll be starting in just after that bit..... with the "Arma2P" instructions.....
Follow thru that section carefully.... Arma2P will unpack all your game assets into the P:\CA\ folder.... this takes a little while, but after that you really are completely and cleanly installed and ready to actually get some progress happening!
There's a separate thread for that tutorial, so, if you hit any snags, post in that thread and we'll take on any other hiccups you may encounter as they happen.....
Sorry for making you start all over again, but it's massively important that these basic fundamentals are installed and setup correctly! All subsequent successes flow from this stable and correctly installed development setup.....
It's NOT the ridiculous copy this, overwrite that fuss it used to be, and which you've been reading about....
With the latest tools and Arma2P it's a simple plug and play process that should take an hour or less.....
Read the guide - follow it, literally, to the letter! ..... you should have no major issues.......
Good Luck, and ..... welcome to terrainmaking!
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Last edited by Bushlurker; May 25 2012 at 16:50.
still i dont have my map ... but i am maybe a step closer :)
there was this binMakeRules.txt file in my tools directory ... in it were some path settings pointing to this mysterious BXBX folder ... i did correct them all manualy and since then the setup seems to work... now buldozer seems to do all automaticaly ... what ever he is doing ;))
for new people it is hard to find the right entrypoint ... there are many tutorials, some are not up to date but they explain a lot, others are up to date and explain not so much (maybe because the autor thinks that his reades already know the older outdated tutorials) and then there are different ways of doing maps ... some start with this others with that, some have a good folder setup others have a simple folder setup...
... and some how it is geting difficult to find the right way
even when it comes to the setup of the BIS tools ... some say just install it, others say make a own o:\ partition (or virtual drive), some say use arma2p.cmd to setup every thing automaticaly but again others say no dont use arma2p.cmd because it fails
there should be maybe something like a own up to date wiki only for map creating ;)this folder did never exist and also no such user account or any thing ... the only file with bxbx was this binMakeRules file
i guess something with the setup whent wrong
maybe the setup was not able to write the correct path into the file .. or what ever could happened?yes i know ;Di knew you will suggest that too ;))haha until now nothing was ever plug and play with arma ... until i found this six-addon-updater and this armaII-launcher and so on was a long time :)) ...... or i will come back and ask ;)thanks :D .. we will see ;)
i will give a other try now ;)
following some more tutorials...
i will take a look at what you have pointet me to :D
thanks :D
Spoiler:
hey cool :D !
wow ... what shall i say :))
now i have done more or less all what is said in the mondkalbs tutorial and i realy got a more or less working map :D
i have not done all what he said ... i have no buildings on the map and no forest or similar ... also my texture is very unique ... i have grass in the water :)) ... it looks cool haha :))
at the moment i guess that i will be able to fix most issues :D
just two things
first i had problems to load the map ... the game did crash wehn i did try to play on the map
in mondkalbs tutorial is a config.cpp with the following two lines
worldName = "\TUT_IslandName\IslandName.wrp";
pictureShot = "\TUT_IslandName\TUT_IslandName_pic_ca.paa";
which i did replace with
worldName = "TUT_IslandName\IslandName.wrp";
pictureShot = "";
so i dont have a picture shot and after removing of the leading backslash the map did load without crash
but still if i load the map in the editor it tells me more or less something like
bin\config.bin/cfgworlds outsideterra no entry in.terrainsynth
i have a idea what it could be but am not very sure
mondkalb said that i shall do the satmap 10px biger and that i should remove the 10px later ... but he never said when to remove them ... so i never removed them ... maybe thats now the outsideterra and maybe some *.pew data is missing for this 10px
since all that belongs to the install seems to work now i will restart with a new map from scratch
maybe i will overcome this error too and maybe i will try now to place roads and buildings to and do a better texture ... but the grass in the water is awesome ... it looks like the waterplants in my virtual aquarium :))
Sorry guys. But as I have read through the post. No one has given infomation on the terrain grid size in a scale model format. This would be very helpful to those of us who plan on building maps. Like the example states: Terrain grid sizes (does not state if this is meters or kilometers) 512 x 512 with Terrain cell size (meters) 10.0 = Tearrain size (meters) 5120.0 x 5120.0. My question is how high does the Terrain grid sizes go?, What Terrain cell size is best?, & What the highest Terrain size in a 10.0 meter cell size format? And will these be improved upon in ArmA 3?
terrain grid size is measured in pixels (using higher grid = 4096 x 4096 pixels is troublesome, so max grid usable is 2048 sq.px)
terrain cell size is measured in meters
terrain grid x terrain cell = sq.meters / sq.kms. got it?
example = (grid 512x512 px) x (cell 5 meters) = 2.56 kms x 2.56kms. = 6.5536 sq.kms. terrain
there is no such thing as the best cell size...
10 meters cell size was used for Clafghan map which displays on 2048x2048 px grid = more than 400 sq.kms... the tinier the cell size, more resolution you get on grounds to "draw" trenches, little holes/steeps, etc...
1 meter cell size fits for "micro terrain" it's not adviced for unexperienced mappers... since it can cause bad performance if you do not know exactly what you are doing...
100 meters cell size would fit a large terrain... clafghan, i.e., could cover 4000 sq.kms. just changing cell size, but this would result in a wide flat terrain where you couldn't notice any variation at ground level... it would look better from air, so it would fit more for a flight sim purposes...
afaik the highest size on whatever cell size (it doesn't really mind if it 10m or 100m) would be over a 4096 x 4096 pixels grid... so you could get around 40.96 x 40.96 kms. more than 1600 sq.kms... however, there is a bug -it's not a surprise though- and you can't place objects all over the place in this map and you can use effectively just half of the terrain...
Let's hope this can be fixed in ArmA 3... I know this freaky guy who's only waiting for that!
Last edited by Robster; Jun 1 2012 at 20:38.
So you are saying that a terrain can't grow beyond 25.4637915 miles x 25.4637915 miles due to the engine it is ran on. For my question (and others) started due to the like of naval support for land warfare. People have weigh in on the question in dislike when speaking of naval force. IMO due to their like of understanding of modern warfare. Are due to their country not have a naval force of importance. But for a naval force to be effective. A terrain must start at 300 miles x 300 miles (482.8032 kilometers x 482.8032 kilometers). To give it room for operations. So yes. I am one of those who are wanting for the day that BIS will remove the governor off of the engine. Are improve it to the point it is possible to do so without bugs.
erm I don't know how much a terrain can grow...
Once I did an empty map on 80x80 kms size (the whole Kunar Province) and it's huge but above all a never ending job to finish... if you have a tiny island you can place it in the middle and enjoy the surrounding ocean... I think if you search armaholic you'll find a lot of different flavours and surely some of them might suit your needs...
anyways, if you want a "navy ops" map you could use a huge map ... cell size = 20 meters and grid size = 2048 x 2048px, so you could have more than 1600 sq.kms of useful ground! this means more than 994.193 square miles!!! perhaps no so "flat" and still you can place some platforms to make it more interesting for infantry... just an idea...
and, last but no least, remember that BIS LHD is an static non moving object... which means you can drive it at all...
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