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Thread: Really? A crosshair for a "realistic" sim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOTA:49 View Post
    I love my crosshairs in this game. I never use them for actually firing my weapon though, only for a rough idea of how fatigued I am and to point at ammo boxes/vehicles to use. Any other game I prefer NOT to use crosshairs, although I've gotten past the point of caring whether or not people use them or not. Call it unrealistic if you will, but quit complaining about how others play the game and turn it off on your end. Problem solved.
    Well, if you call complaining that something is unrealistic in a game that is supposed to take realism somewhat seriously well...

    I do turn it off. My only issue is why is it there in the first place? Especially when it really takes away from realism more than it provides. Again, anyone who has played Project Reality understands that universal removal of the onscreen crosshair still makes for one hell of a game. And it doesnt steal any fun. It actually forces one and all, young and old, to man up and use the iron sights while not cheating with a X360 like schema.

    Im talking about the bigger picture where BIS actually still uses it and has it on by default. I think that is a wrong. I think it is a mistake. Turn it off? I do. Am I proposing BIS remove it thus removing it from you? I guess I am. I guess I am asking people to man up for an infantry sim and play realistically.

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    So it's not enough for you to play the game the way you want, but you need to dictate to others how they should play as well? Find a realism server, join a group of like mnded people and play you like, don't stay awake at night because someone else enjoys playing a different way. This isn't a contest to see how much of a man you are. This is an entertainment product so let others be entertained how they want.
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  3. #13
    omg....
    fact 1: you can never make EVERYBODY happy. presume the option would be OFF by default other people might complain.
    fact 2: BIS is a company trying to appeal to a broad audience...
    fact 3: anybody can decide whether to have it on or off...

    so why dont you get some common sense and grow in character, meaning, accepty it the way it is , rather than forcing your opinion on the rest of the community and demanding them to change?... no offence meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachDJ View Post
    Well, if you call complaining that something is unrealistic in a game that is supposed to take realism somewhat seriously well...

    I do turn it off. My only issue is why is it there in the first place? Especially when it really takes away from realism more than it provides. Again, anyone who has played Project Reality understands that universal removal of the onscreen crosshair still makes for one hell of a game. And it doesnt steal any fun. It actually forces one and all, young and old, to man up and use the iron sights while not cheating with a X360 like schema.

    Im talking about the bigger picture where BIS actually still uses it and has it on by default. I think that is a wrong. I think it is a mistake. Turn it off? I do. Am I proposing BIS remove it thus removing it from you? I guess I am. I guess I am asking people to man up for an infantry sim and play realistically.
    If they want to get rid of the crosshairs, fine, but make a more intuitive system for opening ammo boxes and getting in vehicles along with something other than labored breathing for fatigue. Stuff that you wouldn't have any sort of problem dealing with in real life, yet impossible to convey in a video game without any sort of aid, of which the crosshair works for me. What you're doing is kind of complaining, realism or not. It's an aid to help deal with the limitations of a 2d monitor rather than the feel of holding the rifle in your hands.

    There are plenty of servers that force first person and no crosshair, and I have no problem with those (and even enjoy playing in them) but crosshairs work great for everything BUT aiming IMO.
    Last edited by BOTA:49; Jul 5 2009 at 20:05.

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    I like the crosshair, It fixes the depth vision that a game cant recreate from real life(IRL you get a good feeling of where your rifle is pointing) and It makes TrackIR usage less confusing.

    The only problem I have is that it is way too accurate. Remove the center dot and add some inaccuracy to it(even COD has this) and the aim from hip wouldnt be pixel perfect anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachDJ View Post
    True, but what about multiplayer? Is that a problem?

    And options aside, why is it even there to begin with? I know some people like it but what about turning it off by default? Is this some sort of Xbox360 thing?

    Still, I find it a reality killer that BIS has this in game...even if some folks like it.
    So I guess it's an opinion thing. ArmA2, like all games, is released in a state to suit the casual gamer. It's an option to turn it off, I don't see how that's a great problem. In fact, a realism nut will probably go straight to the highest level, where, surprise surprise the crosshairs are disabled

    As an aside, I like the crosshairs AND realism. I find the crosshairs offsets the 2D limitation of my monitor.

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    Easy there big fellas.

    Yes, I can turn it off and I do.

    Im advocating it off by default not ON by default. And in a more larger discussion, Im questioining why it is there in the first place.

    Everyone needs to just relax a little bit...take a deep breath.

    Thats all I am saying. Yes, I dont think it should be in game. Yes I think it should be off by default. Thats it.

    Everyone can settle down.

    And on another note, in regards to ammo, I liked how Red Orchestra pulled that one off. Didnt they rate the amount of ammo in a mag by its weight and not an ammo counter on screen?

    Thats another one I think BIS got wrong. An actual ammo counter for each bullet. Can that be turned off? What if it can? It still shouldnt be in game and shouldnt be on by default for an infrantry sim designed on reality.

  8. #18
    Keep everything in game, add more options to ppl do what they want.

  9. #19
    All I really want is the default difficulty for server creation will be expert. If people really want to make nub-mode servers they should be able to, but the default (for those who create a server not paying attention to difficulty) should be expert.

    Also it would be really nice if the difficulties were shown on the server browser and could be used as a filter (minimum difficulty = X, maximum difficulty = Y). Right now you have to join a server to find out if it's nub-mode or not.

    Point shooting is more than easy enough without crosshairs. Any kind of crosshairs only make it easier, and having random bullet dispersion is not a good way to implement realism.

  10. #20
    I personally like the cross hairs, gets rid of confusion when I had been using the free look mode, as well as what others have said helps with identification of things like ammo boxes.

    As people have said you can turn it off, so turn it off, as all your suggestion is to force everyone not to have it because of realism, this would then mean that a lot of gamers who buy the game for something different, but still want it to be familiar to what they are use to will be put off even more, I mean have a look at people all ready complaining about things bean too hard, just imagine what it would be like if there were no cross hairs.

    This could then lead to an out of business BI meaning no arma for anyone!
    So keep it how it is I think is the best option for everyone, as there are options and nobodies opinions will be forced on anyone.

    Just on a side note maybe at the beginning of the game an option for you to have it on or off will appear from the start.

    No offence intended as its your right to have an opinion, but remember so do other people this is a two way thing.

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