Clarification on the MLOD release issue.

[canis lupus]

I'm getting a little confused here... are we not allowed to make re-modeled units from the BIS models?? sounds odd to me but wanted to make sure, since its what I'm doing all day and I won't waste my time with it if I can't use it...

[RKSL-Rock]

Guys this is getting blown out of all proportion.

Its business as usual apart from we cannot MLOD the general arma content and put it on a server for public download which is fair enough. Nothing has really changed on the Modding scene. ***The information gleaned form the MLODs is already out there. ***And will stay out there if people are willing to share learnt knowledge.

What we need now is less moaning, wailing about the end of the community and rumour mongering about BIS turning its back on us. ***And of course less of the "I told you so" bollocks and more useable, practical tutorials. ***Tuts that cover the basic principles right up to the more advanced areas of interest. ***They need to be written in simple clear English that can then be translated or understood by the majority of the community.

Yes I know there is the BIKI reference. ***But personally, and I know a lot of people feel the same, I find aspects of BIKI ***are written in such a way as to be worse than useless. ***While it may contain vital information it is presented in such a clinically detached way that it really doesn’t educate or empower the user. ***More often than not it just confuses the fuck out of them. Often there are no simple examples or real world applications.

How about less “OMG the sky is falling” and more “Well, here’s what I know…”

IF you want to write a tutorial that could possibly help please do, contact ArmedAssault.info, ArmAholic, OPEC or any of the other sites and ask them to host it.

Here’s my contribution to a way forward:

I promise to (re)create a system of basic tutorials, just like Brsseb did for OFP to handle the very basic of ArmA modeling and Configs. ***I am going to try and make one a week for the next few weeks.

What are you willing to do?

[canis lupus]

I agree with most of this Rocko, ofcourse BIS won't turn their backs on us I really don't think they can afford that, but how did tutorials get involved in this?

I hope all sorts of rumors not based on any reallity will keep to a minimum and I don't wan't to help spread or anything but I really need to know if I'm about to do something I'm not allowed to

[RKSL-Rock]

I agree with most of this Rocko, ofcourse BIS won't turn their backs on us I really don't think they can afford that, but how did tutorials get involved in this?

I hope all sorts of rumors not based on any reallity will keep to a minimum and I don't wan't to help spread or anything but I really need to know if I'm about to do something I'm not allowed to

Well the largest part of the "case for the MLODs" was to mine them for information to make our own content. ***If those with the knowledge - and there are a few in this thread that have it - were to write down what they know the need for the MLODs might be diminshed.

I know it wont satisfy everyone wanting to modify the blackhawks etc but atleast the information aboutr how to recreate them will be available.

[Placebo]

Guys this is getting blown out of all proportion.

Its business as usual apart from we cannot MLOD the general arma content and put it on a server for public download which is fair enough. Nothing has really changed on the Modding scene.

Quoted for truth.

As I already wrote in the Ask a Mod thread the other day:

Quote[/b] ]At the end of the day I think the main issue is that Marek wasn't happy that every BIS produced addon for ArmA had been stripped bare and uploaded to a website for all and sundry to download and use in any way they wish. There's no reason to believe that items cannot be modified and used for ArmA addons/mods the same as they were for Flashpoint addons/mods.

That is an accurate summary of where the problem arose.

[canis lupus]

sorry for being so anoying...
so I'm to understand that its perfectly fine to use the models as long as its done with some care and of course in Arma only?

oh.. and if you should find my lack of understanding anoying, see this as a possebility to make this perfectly clear once and for all...

[oyman]

[W0lle]

oyman

48h PR and a postcount reduction by 50 for spamming this thread.

[Miles Teg]

Ok I understand the problem.... BIS does not want everything stripped and sent out onto the internet for every Joe Bloe from every FPS game to use and abuse. *** ***That is completely logical and legal.

I also totally respect Rocko' and what he's saying. ***Yes... I admire his leadership and willingness to write tutorials. ***Rocko has been a Godsend to those of us who are noobs at making addons. ***The sad thing however is that Rocko should really not be having to be writing tutorials. ***

Is it really so much to ask for BIS to simply make a sample of each vehicle/infantry type with a sample config and model (plus texture) for addon makers to use??? Honestly is it really that difficult to do???
I really am not interested in the Queen's Gambit models. *** Yes they are nice and great job BIS...but....at the end of the day, I would just like a nice clear tutorial and model/Textures + config to base my own custom models off of. *** ***

Right now, I am confused as hell since I now am apparently barred from using the models I needed to make some Arab militia that I was working on. *** Until all this is sorted out, I know my own mod (The Lost Brothers, the oldest existing OFP/ArmA mod) is not going to release anything else until this is clarified. I will destroy the Arab militia I was working on as well since apparently it's based on illegal models.

Some of our configs also were from unknown original sources that we must now sort out to see if this is "illegal" config coding or whether anything we have in terms of models are illegal. ***

I was just trying to find ANYTHING that worked in ArmA to get my mod's addons working.... ***I did not realize how serious this matter was. *** *** I guess since Rocko is the spearhead for any new stuff, ***I ask Rocko for permission to use whatever he releases and is given the "green light" by BIS since many of our mods lack our own modellers/texture artists/scripters/config coders ***who know the legal restrictions and the coding stuff inside and out.


Chris G.
aka-Miles Teg<GD>
The Lost Brothers Mod Team Leader

[[APS]Gnat]

Hmmmm, now wondering if the QG content was what triggered this ..... remembering that the source is different.