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    Hey about the Aurora as i was asked i found some cool stuff on it. check this website got other stuff on it (Crap in my opion) but the aurora has some foundation.
    Aurora bomber

    so here's one of the new cold war weapons were talking about.


    Remember Faster is better now As Stealth is Negated by Russian Tamra systems, they even brought one to an Air show in the UK, to test it on an F117. & i think it can be fitted to a MANPAD (not sure on that point though)


    As for who started it well i guese we will never know as there is so much playing with exspensive toys that we pay for, & lie's on lies its pointless to ask.
    But i always judge by actions not words.. pretend your def & watch the news...a picture speaks a thousand words..

    as for propaganda.

    here have a look at this.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ](CBS/AP) Foreign firefighters and aircraft joined the battle Tuesday against blazes in southern Greece, and officials expressed optimism that wildfires burning some of the country's lushest landscape could be brought under partial control.

    The fires, which began about five days ago, have killed at least 64 people and burned olive groves, forests and orchards. Beyond the loss of life and environmental damage, Greece braced for the economic impact of the worst wildfires in memory, with the government budgeting upward of $410 million for immediate relief. The bill was expected to be much higher, the finance ministry said.

    In remote places where there has been little help fighting fires, there are bitter complaints that it's all the government's fault, reports CBS News correspondent Richard Roth.

    Greek officials blame arson for the widespread fires, adds Roth. But whatever caused them, the government's response to the emergency has now become the country's other burning issue.

    The destruction and deaths have infuriated Greeks and appear likely to dominate political debate before early general elections scheduled for Sept. 16.

    The fire department said 56 fires broke out from Monday to Tuesday. The worst were concentrated in the mountains of the Peloponnese in the south and on the island of Evia north of Athens, spokesman Nikos Diamandis said.

    He said most of the efforts would be concentrated in those two regions, with most of the firefighters that have arrived from 17 countries operating in the Peloponnese.

    In addition to the fires, a strong earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 4.7 struck southern Greece on Tuesday, the U.S. Geological Survey said. There were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.

    The Athens Geodynamic Institute reported that the quake struck about noon and had an epicenter 115 miles west of Athens, or nine miles east of Pyrgos near Ancient Olympia. The quake panicked residents in the region and was felt in areas where firefighters were battling blazes.

    Meanwhile, a group of 55 Israeli firefighters would be used to assist in combating one of the worst fires in Krestena, near Ancient Olympia. Large parts of the world heritage site, which was the birthplace of the Olympic Games, were burned over the weekend.

    Diamandis said that 18 planes and 18 helicopters - including four from Switzerland - would be used in the southern firefighting effort.

    "The picture we have gives us some optimism" in the south, Diamandis said. "We have a good picture and hope for some good results."

    Diamandis asked people to heed instructions from authorities and evacuate villages when asked to do so. Greece's civil defense agency said there was a high risk of fires around the country Tuesday because of high winds and temperatures, especially in the Athens region.

    From the northern border with Albania to the southern island of Crete, fires ravaged forests and farmland. Residents used garden hoses, buckets, tin cans and branches in desperate - and sometimes futile - attempts to save their homes and livelihoods.

    In some villages, firefighters sent helicopters or vehicles to evacuate the residents, only to find people insisting on staying to fight the blaze.

    "We are asking people to be calm and to follow orders," Diamandis said.

    A helicopter airlifted five people to safety Monday from the village of Prasidaki in southern Greece, fire department spokesman Yiannis Stamoulis said. Another was sent to the village of Frixa, but the residents refused to leave, he said.

    The destruction was so extensive that authorities said they had no way of knowing how many acres have burned - or how many people had been injured.

    New blazes broke out faster than others could be brought under control, leaving behind a devastated landscape of blackened tree trunks, gutted houses and charred animal carcasses.

    © MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    Now ill mark out a couple of words that They have highlighted so subtely,

    So ask yourself's what was the point in highlighting "on there part" this small snippet about the Israli fire fighters when other countries donated far more, in terms of hardware man power & aid? this is part of our cold war.. & it never realy stoped if you can see this, & start to notice it, you need to logicly dissect all the information that is presented to you, youl start to notice it, i probably missed some things there myself as no one is perfect.

    Id also like to point out this Story & in perticular the section i highlighted, was used on Yahoo as there own report in conjunction with AP/CBS so it kinda looks like the "free press" are all reading from the same book?

    well next thing would be to take a look at the 2007 Officer marine field manual from the U.S it has alot of information on how to wage Psycological warfare on the streets.
    What i found amsuing was that they (U.S marine manual) stated you have to know the truth/history, before you can make a good (in essance a lie) but they worded it more Eloquently than i could.
    (its called word manipulation)


    So what more "wonderful" things can we expect..?
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    What have the forest fires got to do with there being another cold war?




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    Quote Originally Posted by (churnedfortaste @ Sep. 01 2007,14:53)
    What have the forest fires got to do with there being another cold war?
    same question
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    I have no idea what this post is on about.
    Aliens, Cold War, Israeli Firefighters?

    Sort of magic mushroom conversation for me. I can't follow it.




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    Oh please. The United States isn't trying to start up a new Cold War because its hands are tied up now with Iraq and Afghanistan. Furthermore, Iron+Cross, I'm totally lost by your post.




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    Perhaps the Israeli firefighters thing was mentioned because they are protecting one of the most famous historical sites in the world? Its not how many of them there are, or what country theyre from, its just that what theyre doing is particularily important?

    And as for the Aurora, even if it wasnt invented by some geeky teenager with too much time on his hands, what does it prove? That the Americans want better technology? No shit. I dont think it proves that American wants another cold war.

    Btw, never trust a site that claims that "ET is visiting us in aircraft powered by antimatter..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Russian Tamra
    erm what You speak about russian Tamara systems ?

    You mean Czech(oslovakia) passive radar system named Ramona and Tamara ...

    many of them are deployed in ex-Soviet countries
    one Ramona is definitely deployed in North Korea

    also they not man portable roflcopter

    Ramona and Ramona-M needs thirteen+ Tatra trucks and Tamara needs eight+ for transportation ...

    yet the system is from 80s and don't match todays standards

    modernized newest system Vera wasn't sold to Russia ...

    there is also Kolgucha from Ukraine yet from what it seems it's copied off Ramona/Tamara

    also Aurora is quite old concept ...




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    I dont think us tries to start another cold war, it just tries to move forward like it always been doing tech-wise at least..

    lol got me thinking of aurora bombers from c&c generals game.



    its said in the game description to fly in subsonic speed and impossible to be hit by any weapons until it drops it bombs and it slows down. a bit unreal especially the last part about slowing down after it dropped its bombs.

    Imo best weapon for the future should be some big kick ass satelite that shoots down laser down to the ground and blasts off anything in 1 km radius or so. kind of like the Ion cannon in c&c 3 tiberium wars...




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    lol Russia can only now detect stealth airplanes? *** ***I though they could do this long time ago..... All fo these stealth aicraft are only good against countriel such as Iraq, but still not sure about this. F-117 got destroyed in Yugoslavia with some ancient anti-aircraft systems.

    Competition between countries over weapon systems never stopped, eventhough Cold War ended... Cold War is more then just developing new weapons, and who has best weapons.




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    Ok well this was ment to carry on from the other thread about Cold war which was closed for no good reason (try punishing the individuals not the thread)
    I dident realise it would atract so many negative vibes..

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]What have the forest fires got to do with there being another cold war?
    Well its part of Propaganda & ***thats part of any type of war,
    basicly make one party sound goo & another bad, thought it was relevent just ading some material to talk about. ***

    @ baff
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] check this website got other stuff on it (Crap in my opion) but the aurora has some foundation.
    Try reading, its just some info on Aurora or X-43 i remember waching a documentry on X-planes & this one was origonaly designed to replace, the existing craft (which is mounted atop a ICBM) used for "pop-up" missions, but there are a few ive read of, so im not sure which is being used, but one of the features of the X-43 was supposed to be for los space orbit. im not sure what the rusky's are using though.


    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]erm what You speak about russian Tamara systems ?

    You mean Czech(oslovakia) passive radar system named Ramona and Tamara ...

    many of them are deployed in ex-Soviet countries
    one Ramona is definitely deployed in North Korea

    also they not man portable ***roflcopter
    Couldent remember the name it was an Inlaw who works for RAF told me about it over a Cider never saw the spelling b4 so sorry,
    As for it being Czech/Slovak dident know that he jsut told me, it was a Russian AAA site that deployed it during the airshow for display, & the operators boasted it could detect "F-15's & other stealth fighters." Sorry If the real world conflicted with your views.
    & as for not man portable well..
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]& i think it can be fitted to a MANPAD (not sure on that point though)
    I heard about "Tamara" system after Kosovo, & the news reported that possibly a "MANPAD" had shot down a stealth plane during Kosovo, so it sounded like Tamra when i thought about it.
    Thanks for info though I can tell my grand father that he will like to hear it came from our country.



    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]lol Russia can only now detect stealth airplanes?
    Did i say that? ***

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Competition between countries over weapon systems never stopped, eventhough Cold War ended... ***
    I Agree but the cold war never stoped it just got boaring to the media, & a few recent russian leaders have just rolled over & done as teh west told em to.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Cold War is more then just developing new weapons, and who has best weapons
    The cold war is about Politics, Money, & Ideoligy, one of the Core fears of the U.S was that somthign called a "domino effect" would happen in the Pacific/Asia, read up about it its very cool idea but driven by fear & there for fundamentaly wrong.





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