Marek's Comment on Tools...

[lwlooz]

Hello RockofSL , I can't answer you questions , but I can give you a piece of advice.

1. This community does not appreciate questioning BIS's actions.
2. Suggestions that could be helpful for the community are to be ridiculed by all means.
3. The only people that are being taken serious around here are guys whos sole field of expertise is in sucking up to other people.

You know BI forums motto: Be Happy™

[DrBobcat]

Hello RockofSL , I can't answer you questions , but I can give you a piece of advice.

1. This community does not appreciate questioning BIS's actions.
2. Suggestions that could be helpful for the community are to be ridiculed by all means.
3. The only people that are being taken serious around here are guys whos sole field of expertise is in sucking up to other people.

You know BI forums motto: Be Happy™

Corrections...

1. Questioning BIS' actions doesn't make tools become developed and released faster. If they somehow do, they're going to be buggy and less desirable by the community.
2. Suggestions that could be helpful for the community should be stated as such, not as oblivious, childish rants.
3. The only people that are being taken serious around are people whose sole existence doesn't revolve around groaning, moaning, and complaining.

- dRb

[blackdog~]

<span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Greetings,

As president, leader, website designer, and PR manager for the SWLBTCM[color=orange]</span><span style=&#39;color:green&#39;></span> <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>mod, we are in desperate need for the toolz so we can begin importation of our modelz.

I have the feeling that if the toolz are not releazed soon, we will have no other choice but to shut down our modification.

Thank you,

blackdog

representing the Sharks With Laser Beams Total Conversion Module Team</span></span></span>[/size]

edit: this forum fails on ibcode. i give up on formatting this post.

[welshtrigg]

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The existing OFP/ARMA 3rd Party texture, and PBO tools etc <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>--&#62; do the same function as <--</span> the tools BIS are planning on releasing.

Your underlying premise is flawed, stop making a riot when your assumptions do not reflect how the tools and more importantly the workflow process works. Further attempts to bastardize the generation two system by insisting on generation one rules will ruin the way it is intended to work.

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wow that was a really mature & helpful answer,rockape as a addon maker is just asking questions,rather than put a pointless post like this up,why not try and help answer his questions?..aw bollox why borther these addon makers are noone important,they just keepet ofp alive for how many years?

[Max Power]

I must admit that while I disapprove of what I perceive as a sort of a criticism out of ignorance (note that these are strong words but they are not meant in a pejorative way), people posting &#39;I know what&#39;s going on and you don&#39;t so shut your hole&#39; isn&#39;t getting this thread anywhere. I don&#39;t believe there is an attempt to bastardize, but a genuine lack of knowledge regarding how things must work. Lording behind-the-scenes awesomeness over us isn&#39;t going to do us any good.

[shinRaiden]

Let me spell it out in klere engrish :

The BIS tools do not do the same function as the community tools do, for the precise reason that the workflow is different in many crucial ways from how you&#39;re used to creating content.

Assuming that the community tools already fill the function of the BIS tools assumes a certain position about the workflow of the content creation process, groundless assumptions which if insisted on, signficantly complicate your ability as an addon maker to make effective use of the significant platform and tools developments BIS has made.

It would be unwise of Marek to release an editor before releasing a pipeline. In fact, further proof of this is in the community&#39;s interest in doing simple retextures for initial testing and exploration. Retextures by and large do not require model editing, however any and all content modifications of any sort do require proper process pipeline tools. Marek knows the tools, and why he&#39;s choosing to release them in the order that he is. To presume otherwise is to second-guess him off incorrect assumptions on how you intend to create content.

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On a different matter, I have neither the time nor the permission to spell out every last detail. Furthermore, it would be unproductive even if I could. Rather, my intent is to offer a more diplomatic solution, by stating "trust Marek on this one." This thread started off as a rather cranky attack on Marek&#39;s judgement, and frankly imho should have been reported / locked etc. There&#39;s no need for the community to tear itself apart irrationally, all I&#39;m asking for the good of the community which has benefited everyone alike: calm down, chill out, turn off your computer, go outside, and enjoy some fresh air. It&#39;s only a game, and there&#39;s more to life than that.

[[ZG]BUZZARD]

I do have to wonder about one thing, though...

If BIS is going to release a full-version Oxygen 2 or if they are going to release an Oxygen 2 Light only. Because time has proven again and again that community-made addons with the "Light" edition of Oxygen have provided players with far more advanced and better addons than BIS have ever fielded, and that is bound to happen with ArmA as well... BIS really shouldn&#39;t waste time turning Oxygen 2 into a "light" version, but should rather make Oxygen 2 english full version as robust as possible and release it as they use it as well, IMHO...

[.kju [PvPscene]]

Just a few notes:

Name your topic and its sub-heading smart to make the
idea and the topic you like to discuss very clear.

Make your posts short and as explicit as possible
(choose your words carefully - less blabla, less misunderstanding).



The issue here in question is:
Why does BI intend to release the model tools in that order -
does it make sense for the modders.



The forum is mainly for community member to community
(member) talk - if you intend to talk to BI, you should rather
write them a mail to support@bistudio.com or write Suma a PM.

You better be aware of that - so always question your intention
and decide which way is most appropriate.

As for the BI&#39;s reasons, the actual implications, the reality,
importance of different matters, etc etc - THATS OTHER TOPIC.

hope that helps

[whisper]

i really do wonder sometimes why people do that . nothing to contribute to the debate as a whole i think i will make a blindingly obvious statement add a rolling eye smiley and go.?

well i guess its one of lifes mysteries

might as well join in seeing this really dont add to the debate

Awww dear&#33;
Because you really thing there is any matter to debate, perhaps? I put rolleyes simley because, gues what, I am STATING THE OBVIOUS.
BI will release the tools in the order they are finished. The first to be finished is the shorter to be done => the first to be released is the shorter to be done. It&#39;s not rocket science.
As
simple
as
that.

Bitching about that is utterly pointless, imho. Hence my reaction.
And contrary to some, I don&#39;t need pages and pages of rant to get my point accross.

[MehMan]

In fact, further proof of this is in the community&#39;s interest in doing simple retextures for initial testing and exploration.

I believe this is being done because it is the only mod work that is possible to be done correctly. Not because we are interested in it, we just can&#39;t do anything else that would work properly.