Join in progress (JIP) and possible problems

[stakex]

We heard that it will be possible to join a war in progress. In others games I saw that if one side is loosing, many players will change the side for this battle (get out / rejoin) to be on the winner side.

From my point of view the ArmA Server should store the information from a player which side he have chosen and it should not be possible to change the sides during the war.

Does anyone heard something about this matter?

I doubt OFP players would act this n00bish. ***
I've never seen such thing in OFP, and there's no point in doing it in OFP since there's no statics logging unlike in BF2.

Well from what I witnessed OFP was never a very popular MP game. I myself only play it with a couple friends and the bugs in MP trouble us almost every time. The games MP support is really lacking. However, when ArmA comes out its very likely the MP will be much improved. So its safe to say a lot more people will be playing the mp in ArmA as opposed to OFPs. With this, you have a much better chance of getting people who are not as mature, and only care about the fact that their team won and things like that.

There seems to be this assumption by many people that the OFP community is extreamly mature, and things like this are very un-common. And perhaps thats true right now because the only remaining community for flashpoint is true, dedicated fans and mod makers, but when ArmA comes out expect that to change. ArmA is going to bring in a whole new crowd of players. OFP/ArmA is nothing more then a game, and there is no rule that states its players have to be mature.

And these things happen in almost every FPS, and very few of them actually keep stats. Happens in COD all the time and there is no stats kept in that. (Unless your on a server with a mod to keep stats). People just like to be on the winning team.

As for solutions to this... either play with people you know, or the server admin should be able to remove players who do such things. Or perhaps there will be an auto balance feature that prevents an unballanced game, or if not... Im sure someone can probly mod it.

[luemmel]

Besides that I have to refer to what has been said in the already existing JIP thread(should be on page 2 or 3 now)

I searched for such a post but I didn't found it. Maybe I am blind :-) But you are right, I can remember that there was such a post but it must be deleted in the meantime...

[Zendjir]

There should be an autobalance system, playing an even match is always more fun. I personally don't mind if i'm on the winning or loosing team; when I'm winning I feel good about it but when loosing I feel like I can make a difference. And the nature of ofp is not that numbers are everything; a well placed sniper or tank can stop attacks on his own.

[Kode]

I always found the OFP community much more mature, people can play serious and cooperative, of course they are always some people that are annoying... So I *hope* this won't be too much of a problem.

[Heatseeker]

Imo there are many organised mature groups who play OPFR but if you join a open public server you will find a mix of good people and total idiots, coop is almost impossible.
Even without JIP and respawn players rush to their death and dont follow orders or try to discuss and agree on a good plan or strategy (coop) then moan about being seagulls and keep asking for restarts just to rush and get killed again and again... On my last decent public game i had to struggle to keep one dialup 100/200ms pinger (way above average player) on the server because everyone went nuts when he was downloading the mission file and his ping climbed to 1500.
Ingame it was doing an average of 160, there was no desync or lag on the server and he was a good and smart team player. So what im saying is that currently public OPF MP gaming is sometimes playable, with JIP it will problably suck alot more.
From years of gaming i have the impression that 80% of the people who play online games are idiots and with Arma being more MP friendly we will suffer from a huge stupidity invasion .

[4 IN 1]

think of it

you are on a mission , there is only a few ppl left alive, then you finally reach another objective, and HQ told you that you will have reinforecment ASAP..........
how sweet it is


but wait, those same old problem(idiots, nuts, etc) is still there, hum

[JimGun]

Say NO! to JIP......in my humble opinion. Hope to god one can toggle it server side.

[[APS]Gnat]

From years of gaming i have the impression that 80% of the people who play online games are idiots and with Arma being more MP friendly we will suffer from a huge stupidity invasion .

I generally believe different, from my years of online OFP gaming I'd say more mature gaming prevails, but a major factor of that is all the kiddies play BF or HL or other mindless "broken records". But yes I agree, once ArmA hits the shelf with JIP, the first 6-12 months will be plagued with idiots.
Something that will control this as it does today;
- Custom Addons - As it does for OFP, 500MB of Downloads will keep most "fly-by-night" players away.
- Less CTF or DM and more Coop
- REVIVE REVIVE REVIVE missions!! (ie different from Respawn) Idoits who rush to their deaths and don't "teamplay" will find other players will not bother finding their bodies to revive them, so the impatient will disconnect and find another server.

JIP CONSIDERATIONS
- Admins need the option to temparary ban a players ID from a server because of stupidness. Option from 5mins to 24 hrs. A server LOG file must record this action.

- For Coop missions the joining player should be allowed to "appear" near the team leader or jump into an AI's body who is part of the team. The later option is less flexible but should be ok as an option for mission making.

- For vs's type missions (CTF, C&H, DM or CTI) the spawn point needs to be a definable (and movable) point, different from the normal respawn point.

- Obviously a max number of JIP players must be selectable at the start of any mission.

- Auto balancing is a good idea

[Grayace]

Imo there are many organised mature groups who play OPFR but if you join a open public server you will find a mix of good people and total idiots, coop is almost impossible.
Even without JIP and respawn players rush to their death and dont follow orders or try to discuss and agree on a good plan or strategy (coop) then moan about being seagulls and keep asking for restarts just to rush and get killed again and again... On my last decent public game i had to struggle to keep one dialup 100/200ms pinger (way above average player) on the server because everyone went nuts when he was downloading the mission file and his ping climbed to 1500.
Ingame it was doing an average of 160, there was no desync or lag on the server and he was a good and smart team player. So what im saying is that currently public OPF MP gaming is sometimes playable, with JIP it will problably suck alot more.
From years of gaming i have the impression that 80% of the people who play online games are idiots and with Arma being more MP friendly we will suffer from a huge stupidity invasion .

well Im almost agreed with Heatseeker, but I think you (Heatseeker) are quite desperate about N00B (I hate this word but there are some people who are real equavalent of this definition) players.

Well, Coop is a gaming style where more advanced players can train NooBies who are willing to do so (I played with you once as Blackace if you remember, and I learned some new stuff since then) if you are wondering how? here it is, if a player (esp. a noob one) is playing a coop in OFP then his is somewhat willing to learn something. In this case, there could be teams (which is already available) to allocate advanced and newbie players (seperation would be better I think) once the game starts without "respawning" which lets players to go "Rambo", players will soon realize that its vital to stick to plans while still adding own freestyle skills to be the one who prevails in the battlefield. For those who are too stubborn to learn, they will learn in several games after they got theirselves killed (Damn OFP AI is real good&#33 while many other players are enjoying the victory...

[Grayace]

Gnat @ Jan. 08 2006,06:14)]

From years of gaming i have the impression that 80% of the people who play online games are idiots and with Arma being more MP friendly we will suffer from a huge stupidity invasion .

- REVIVE REVIVE REVIVE missions!! (ie different from Respawn) Idoits who rush to their deaths and don't "teamplay" will find other players will not bother finding their bodies to revive them, so the impatient will disconnect and find another server.

OOP there you said it, excellent idea! +1