HOME Either U are Swedish OR taliban/al-qaida-scum, cant be both as far as I see it...this "person" has choosen to be the latter and he will suffer for it...
Either U are Swedish OR taliban/al-qaida-scum, cant be both as far as I see it...this "person" has choosen to be the latter and he will suffer for it...
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Well, first of, Islam is not swedish culture. So there is a catch right away. A follower of Islam cannot be Swedish. Just like a christian cannot be a muslim. Islam is not only a religion, it is a definition of a culture.
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Islam is a religion. So is christianity. You can very well be swedish AND muslim at the same time. You are not denied citizenship because you happen to be muslim. Islam is not a definition of a/one culture. Nor is christianity. The different muslim societies in the middle east, as well as in the far east is just as varied as the christian societies in the west. Religion is not a programe for social behavior. Except from the citizenship I would say I have a lot more common with a fellow university student of Sorbonne than a sheep farmer in Norway. Norway is also probably the most "americanized" country in western Europe. So you tell me what Norwegian culture is? Thus, the definition of norwegian or swedish culture could be very hard to asses. Being a member of the state church is certainly not a criteria in regard to citizenship.
I also happen to know a few muslims. They speak my language, accept our "culture" and our laws - and believe it or not - they are productive. They do however wish to live "their way of life" (Bush's favorite saying), and I cannot see why that is a contradiction with being norwegian. After all, or despite your political correctness, Norway is a democracy, ensuring that you can be whatever you like as long as it isn't against the law.
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I am very tolerant.
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No, you are not!
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By the PC (Political Correctnes) definition this makes me a racist. But I can assure you, I am now.
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You certainly are!
Bomb the sweden! About time to swedes have a taste of war
"Islam is a religion. So is christianity. "
The difference is that Islam, unlike Christianity, is also a highly political movement. Or rather, a non political movement. They refuse to have anything to do with the democractic system since the Imams decide whats wrong and whats right. This means that they set themselves aside from, for example, Swedish culture.
"Islam is not a definition of a/one culture. Nor is christianity. The different muslim societies in the middle east, as well as in the far east is just as varied as the christian societies in the west."
True, there are many kinds of muslims and many kinds of Islam. I am ofcourse talking about the mainstream Islam existing in Sweden at this time.
"So you tell me what Norwegian culture is? Norway is probably the most "americanized" country in western Europe. So, the definition of norwegian or swedish culture could be very hard to asses. Being a member of the state church is certainly not a criteria in regard to citizenship."
No, it is not. Wanting to take part in a democratic society however, is. Refusing to accept and support terrorism, is. Believing in equal rights for men and women, is.
"I also happen to know a few muslims. They speak my language, accept our "culture" and our laws - and believe it or not - they are productive. They do however wish to live "their way of life" (Bush's favorite saying), and I cannot see why that is a contradiction with being norwegian."
Then there is no problem. They have accepted what it is to be Norweigan and follow the laws of Norway. I am talking about those that chose no to do so and still live by the laws of their old nation / society / culture.
"No, you are not!"
How would you know? Do you tolerate people that join terrorist orginsations then?
"You certainly are!"
Well, there was a typo there, supposed to be "not" not "now". Ofcourse.
\"The only thing we learn from history, is that we do not learn from history.\"
- Some wise person whose name evades me right about now
The difference is that Islam, unlike Christianity, is also a highly political movement. Or rather, a non political movement. They refuse to have anything to do with the democractic system since the Imams decide whats wrong and whats right. This means that they set themselves aside from, for example, Swedish culture.
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Islam is not a political movement, it is a religion though. True, the courtsystems in most muslim countries are based on religious laws, as are most of the western european contries as well. You shall not steal, murder etc. However, blaming Islam as the reason why several middle eastern countries lack democracy would be to simplistic. Besides, leadership and courtsystem are two different things, mostly (did you know that the prime minister of Norway is a priest?).
I do agree with you that there are reasons to believe that some people don't respect norwegian/swedish law.
On the other hand, there are lots of "norwegians/swedish" that are responsible for crimes as well. Unfortunately many believe its allright to punish an ethnic group because of the actions of a few. Furthermore, if you commit a crime you are individually responsible for your actions, disregarding ethnic origins. The mere thought of being stricter on immigrants than your own ethnic people is silly. Also, I believe there are many immigrants wich respects the law.
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Believing in equal rights for men and women, is.
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Why do women receive a lower salary compared to males in the same position. Why not allow women into the boards of companies and recruit a few more women as topp executives.
Oh yea, were so good at it in Sweden and Norway eh?
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How would you know? Do you tolerate people that join terrorist orginsations then?
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Of course not!
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"You certainly are!"
Well, there was a typo there, supposed to be "not" not "now". Ofcourse.
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Of course
"Why do women receive a lower salary compared to males in the same position. Why not allow women into the boards of companies and recruit a few more women as topp executives.
Oh yea, were so good at it in Sweden and Norway eh?"
I don't think that has so much to do with equality. Nowadays I think its mainly about men covering for other men and friends looking after friends.
When I talk about equal rights for men and women I mean the right to vote, the right to free speach, the right to free movement, the right to dress the way you want, the right to see who you want. Far from all muslim women have these luxuries. In fact, a majority does not and probably never will. That is not something I want to see in Sweden since it goes against one of the most basic concepts in Swedish (and Scandinavian) culture.
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