Israel and the Palestinian

[morbid]

It seems that almost every day on the news there is another report of a Palestinian gunman/bomber shooting/blowing up people at nighclubs/cafes or on buses.
Then the Israelis retaliate by sending tanks/helicopters in to Palestinian settlements and destroying a radio station or security forces hq's, as well as bulldozing homes etc..

This has been the case for as long as I can remember (though reports are becoming more frequent).

What exactly is it all about?
What do the Palestinians want?
Why won't the Israelis give them it?

Can someone answer these questions?
I've tried looking around on the net, but to be honest I don't know my way around it too well, and any sites about this conflict that I have found seem to be biased towards one side or the other.

I try not to be biased towards one side or the other because I really honestly have little idea what the whole thing is about.

But being unbiased is hard when each day you hear about a Palestinian suicide bomber blowing up teenagers at nighclubs, or a gunman killing people at a party.

I'm not stupid enough to believe that the news reports are unbiased, I know they probably aren't.
Does anyone know a site I can go to to find the truth?

Territory, as most conflicts are about.

[Ex-RoNiN]

Well said, Monkey.

THe thing is, both parties seem to believe that the land they are fighting on is theirs.

Historical fact is, this land has changed ownership more than a dozen times in the last 3 millennia or so.

So this makes things kind of tricky.

[KingBeast]

One thing I do disagree on in the whole Pali/Israeli conflict is that both sides act like completel children.
If palestine sends in a suicide bomber, then each and every time without fail Israel gets in a strop and retaliates by bombing locations in Palestine, or taking land.
Israel should be far more responsible, and they should be setting an example.
If Israel retreated and gave back the land they had taken, then things may not be so bad as they are right now.
I still condemn the palestinian suicide bombers, but its hard to believe that they are 100% influenced by Arafat.
The reason the Israelis always do retaliate is because they blame every single occurence o nthe Palestinian leader, and therefore take their wrath out on the people of Palestine.


BBC News Article

[KingBeast]

Heres another link

BBC News Article

Displaced families

The view in Rafah depends on where you stand.
On the other side, I visit a Palestinian family which can now clearly see the military post across the flattened neighbourhood.
Some 600 Palestinians lost homes to Israeli bulldozers
Twenty-three people lived here, I was told - four different families. The army insists the houses were empty, abandoned after months of fighting.
That's news to Salam Jamah, who says he used to live here.
"The tractor and bulldozers destroyed all the houses," he tells me, "We were in here when Israel destroyed our belongings and our houses."

No matter what the future (final) agreement (with the Palestinians) would be, this will be our border with Egypt. (Palestinian leader Yasser) Arafat must be punished; after each incident, another two or three rows of houses must be razed."

Fuad says that would destroy the whole camp, and displace 30,000 people.

[morbid]

Ex-Ronin, do mean that Israel did not take the land from the Palesinians directly? That someone else did that and then the land change ownership until the Israel finally had it?

In that case, isn't Israels claim to the land much stronger than the Palestinians.

For the Palestinians to claim the land is rightfully theirs would be like people (who do not currently own land, or to whom it was not passed on to) claiming ownership of land because their ancient ancestors owned it, or even merely lived on it.

Anyway, I feel that terroirst attacks by the Palestinians is definately not the way to convince anyone to give them the land. It's just not right.
The Israelis are also wrong to kill innocent people or demolish homes (in what seems like mass punishment) in retaliation.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (morbid @ Jan. 19 2002,16:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ex-Ronin, do mean that Israel did not take the land from the Palesinians directly? That someone else did that and then the land change ownership until the Israel finally had it?

In that case, isn&#39;t Israels claim to the land much stronger than the Palestinians.

For the Palestinians to claim the land is rightfully theirs would be like people (who do not currently own land, or to whom it was not passed on to) claiming ownership of land because their ancient ancestors owned it, or even merely lived on it.

Anyway, I feel that terroirst attacks by the Palestinians is definately not the way to convince anyone to give them the land. It&#39;s just not right.
The Israelis are also wrong to kill innocent people or demolish homes (in what seems like mass punishment) in retaliation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No.

What I mean is, this strip of land has been in the hands of almost everyone. It used to be Israeli land (like 3 millennia ago), then it became part of the Babylonian Empire, then the Egyptians had it, then the Greeks came along, then the Romans, then the Byzantine Empire, then the Ottoman&#39;s, after the Ottoman Empire collapsed (yay&#33 it was given to the people who lived there, namely the Arabs. Ok, now it starts getting dodgy. I think it became a British protectorate after WW2 for a while, but im not sure about that. After WW2, America and Britain decided the Israelis can live there and took it away from the Arabs. Now, the Arabs had been living there (under ottoman rule) for nearly half a millennium, you see. So it is kinda weird. Please note, I havent studied that period of history very well, nor the region, so i might have some minor/medium errors in there. but the general picture still holds.

[morbid]

I wouldn&#39;t worry about any errors there, it&#39;s more than I know already.
History isn&#39;t exactly my strong point. I was always more interested in science.
I&#39;m just curious as to how the current Israel/Palestine situation came about.

[christophercles]

I had it all explained too me once, but then i forgot because it was so stupid and confusing.
Here is a site i found on it- http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/...linepales.html
Keep in mind, that could be biased, since it comes from a palistine website, i dont know.
It looks like a big conflict today, one side (i dont know which) came and uzi&#39;d a birthday party for a 12 yo girl, so the other side responded by shelling the other side with tanks.

isrealis is settler

and palestioana must free to do any thing

isrealis is kill our palestioanas every day with planes and tanks and all the future weapons in the world
just see here the truth from this sites
http://www.palestinehistory.com/
http://www.palestine-info.com/
and palestion only revenge for what zionists isrealis do
they dont fight for kill they fight for land and freedom