america outa saudia ?

[Brentk]

true pete, but when one is from a country, they are usually considered a "commie"(commie country) or a "nazi"(nazi germany). That good easily go either way though. oh well. I still call German soldiers nazis(WW II ones) and USSR ones commies.... as the call the british brits and as the US are called "yanks"

whats up with that? why the sh.t do europeans call us yanks still? i mean i don't mind but why not call us "Americans" lol uhhh huhhhh


*note -last 2 examples are stupid

[Pete]

yeah, i know.....ive seen before on the forums angry germans reply on "nazi soldiers" comments...its a sensitive issue.


many germans i met are ashamed of there country, still...after so long time and even if it was only the granddaddys who did the dirty stuff.....

perhaps the next generation?



btw.....yanks is for me not a bad thing, it doesnt have a negative meaning in it either.......if anything then it has a positive meaning

americans.....too much to type, yanks is better


and.....why the hell everyone call us "finns" or "finnish"?...we are "suomalaisia"...damn it!! lol

[Wobble]

dont forget that before US joined the war it send all that stuff over there...

and just because the Russians managed to lose the most men doesent make them the best... the Russians didnt beat Germany, the Russian winter did.

some people actually think Japan surrendered because the russians were coming LOL!!

yes Im sure being hit by single bombs that destroy entire cities tiwce had nothing to do with it..

[Pete]

during/after stalingrad (far before us entered the war) russian and german losses were almost at the same level.

the vast majority of russian total losses were civilian, not soldiers.

and the winter was a great problem for the germans, true..but russians were in the same conditions, the winter alone didnt stop the germans...they fought nearly 5 years...that is 5 summers that they were stopped by the russians, 5 autumns and springs also, if the winter would be what stopped the germans and not the russian army im sure they would have just marched onwards moscow as soon the winter was over.


the truth is more likely that the winter gave the russians some time to breath and regroup..not much more than that.

you show a lot of disrespect towards russia who killed 85% of a enemy usa + the rest of allies combined killed the remaining 15% of.

im not saying usa did nothing, and they did "aid" a lot even before they entered the war..but they were not decisive to the outcome of the war, the russians were.



my nation sided with the germans..so im not supporting russia or other european nations becouse my nation was a part of beating them, usa did add a enourmous effort to the war, but so did all other nations...and none more than mother russia.

[Placebo]

The thing I don't understand is this irresistable urge to have the exact same discussion every few months?

[Thehamster]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Jan. 23 2002,17:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing I don&#39;t understand is this irresistable urge to have the exact same discussion every few months?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
More like every other week.

[Assault (CAN)]

I&#39;m surprised that no one has mentioned the over-extended supply lines that the Germans had in WWII when they invaded Russia, the same with troops, they were spread very thinly.

IMO, the Germans lost WWII not because of allied superiority but because of Hitlers dumb decisions and a few flukes. I shall attempt to touch on a few of them.

1. Deciding to bomb London instead of continuing to bomb tactical targets. The Germans first bombed London by accident and the RAF followed up by bombing Berlin, then Hitler decided to try and demoralize the Brits by bombing cities. The Luftwaffe nearly had the RAF beat. The number of skilled pilots were low, ditto with aircraft numbers. A few more months of this and the RAF would have been history. Few people can argue this.
The blitz on London gave the RAF the break it needed to regroup and get stronger.

2. The alliance with Japan. They should have stayed out to avoid conflict with the Americans.

3. Operation Barbarosa. Why invade a country that is too big for your current army to handle?

4. Declaring war on the U.S.

5. Not making any long term design developments before the war. Hitler thought the war would be over in a few months so he would not commit funding to projects such as the Rocket program or long range bombers.

6. Invading North Africa.

7. Believing that the allies would land at Calais and not Normandy. Even when the Allies did land, Hitler refused to send his best units to Normandy becasue he thought it was a diversion for the "real" attack at Calais.

8. Not commiting enough money to the German Navy. The system was corrupt and the U-Boats did not get enough funding, most of it went to the surface fleet.

Those are the reasons that I could think of off the top of my head. Does anyone else have anything they would like to add?

Also IMO, the major reason WWI ended was because of the Influenza virus and also because the Germans could not keep up with production.

Imagine, our whole world would have been differnet VERY different if a 19 year old boy by the name of Gavrillo Princip would not have assasinated the Arch Duke Ferdinand that fatefull day in Serbia.

Tyler

P.S. sorry for the LONG post. HTH

[Wobble]

if 85% of german casualties were from Russin.. then it only took 15%of the german army to almost literally squeeze briton dry... destroy its airforce.. etc etc..

I dont know where the 85% figure camr from... probably from the Russian gov.

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 23 2002,22:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I&#39;m surprised that no one has mentioned the over-extended supply lines that the Germans had in WWII when they invaded Russia, the same with troops, they were spread very thinly.

IMO, the Germans lost WWII not because of allied superiority but because of Hitlers dumb decisions and a few flukes. I shall attempt to touch on a few of them.

1. Deciding to bomb London instead of continuing to bomb tactical targets. The Germans first bombed London by accident and the RAF followed up by bombing Berlin, then Hitler decided to try and demoralize the Brits by bombing cities. The Luftwaffe nearly had the RAF beat. The number of skilled pilots were low, ditto with aircraft numbers. A few more months of this and the RAF would have been history. Few people can argue this.
The blitz on London gave the RAF the break it needed to regroup and get stronger.

2. The alliance with Japan. They should have stayed out to avoid conflict with the Americans.

3. Operation Barbarosa. Why invade a country that is too big for your current army to handle?

4. Declaring war on the U.S.

5. Not making any long term design developments before the war. Hitler thought the war would be over in a few months so he would not commit funding to projects such as the Rocket program or long range bombers.

6. Invading North Africa.

7. Believing that the allies would land at Calais and not Normandy. Even when the Allies did land, Hitler refused to send his best units to Normandy becasue he thought it was a diversion for the "real" attack at Calais.

8. Not commiting enough money to the German Navy. The system was corrupt and the U-Boats did not get enough funding, most of it went to the surface fleet.

Those are the reasons that I could think of off the top of my head. Does anyone else have anything they would like to add?

Also IMO, the major reason WWI ended was because of the Influenza virus and also because the Germans could not keep up with production.

Imagine, our whole world would have been differnet *** VERY different if a 19 year old boy by the name of Gavrillo Princip would not have assasinated the Arch Duke Ferdinand that fatefull day in Serbia.

Tyler

P.S. sorry for the LONG post. HTH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
i forgot to say - THREAD HIJACKING DETECTED THREAD HIJACKING DETECTED

[Placebo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 23 2002,21:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Luftwaffe nearly had the RAF beat. The number of skilled pilots were low, ditto with aircraft numbers. A few more months of this and the RAF would have been history. Few people can argue this.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The RAF was only 6 weeks from extinction at the time Germany switched to bombing London