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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by (Hellfish6 @ Dec. 31 2004,14:40)
    One thing that has always, always amused me is that everybody screams for realism in their addons but next to nobody goes for realism in their missions. 99.2% of all the missions I've played in OFP (including the BIS missions) are totally fanciful from a military standpoint. You're either an elite special forces operator trapped behind enemy lines going against a total hodgepodge of enemy forces or you're a member of an elite special forces squad dropped behind enemy lines going against a total hodgepodge of enemy forces.

    The missions I make for my little MP group are, I think, pretty realistic. One of our favorites right now involves a US Tank Company (14 tanks, reinforced with 2 M-3 CFVs plus the company support element) moving to contact an Iranian reinforced tank battalion (31 T-72 tanks plus a BMP infantry company and battalion scout platoon). It's awesomely fun, and charging across the desert areas of Tonal (for lack of a more appropriate desert map) in the commander's hatch of one of King Homer's M1A2s is a fantastic feeling and it's totally multiplied when you've got an entire company of tanks on-line and firing away.

    I realize that not everyone has served in the military, let alone a combat unit. But I think that the resources are out there for any mission maker produce realistic missions just the same as there are resources that allow addon makers to produce hugely detailed and realistic addons.

    It seems to me that mission makers are more concerned with cinematics and over-the-top action than they are with realism. I say to you: REALISTIC MISSIONS CAN BE FUN TOO!

    This TDG idea is brilliant - if one or two or three mission makers start churning out a TDG once a month or so I think we'll see the quality of missions increase dramatically as more people are exposed to realistic military situations. There's a massive back catalogue of these TDGs and nearly all of them involve small unit tactics, which is perfect for OFP. Surely someone can find an interesting scenario they would want to make.
    Same, I try to make mine as realistic as humanly possible

  2. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by (Hellfish6 @ Dec. 31 2004,14:40)
    It seems to me that mission makers are more concerned with cinematics and over-the-top action than they are with realism. I say to you: REALISTIC MISSIONS CAN BE FUN TOO!

    This TDG idea is brilliant - if one or two or three mission makers start churning out a TDG once a month or so I think we'll see the quality of missions increase dramatically as more people are exposed to realistic military situations. There's a massive back catalogue of these TDGs and nearly all of them involve small unit tactics, which is perfect for OFP. Surely someone can find an interesting scenario they would want to make.
    That's part of the inspiration behind the Sinews of War Missions of the Month; to create very small, realistic scenarios without a whole bunch of scripting or complexity...just straight fun. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like many people are biting yet! Hopefully, more people will contribute, or else there's not much point to it.

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  3. #93


    I appologise in advance if this has been posted in the wrong topic. I felt this was appropriate as I am trying to maintain Realism in my Missions.

    I'm trying to find Snypirs realistic Mission tutorial. I've checked OFPEC, but there doesn't seem to be any trace of it, all links seem to be dead ones! I do understand that OFPEC is still recovering, but was wondering if anyone knows the where-abouts of the tutorial on the net. Google searches revealed little.

    I am very interested in British military doctrines and battle tactics. I would appreciate any help in this matter.

    Cheers guys (...and gals, if there are any?)






  4. #94
    Same here, I want my missions as realistic as possible. Which is why i'm sofreaking picky, and anal about my info.
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  5. #95
    Here's my opinion for what it's worth (not a lot )

    There has to be a line between all out realism and fun to play.

    How do you create a realistic feeling and looking mission whilst still letting the player have fun?

    If an 3 or 4 SAS soldiers were going from A to B and they expected to encounter foot patrols along the way they would move very slowly and very quietly for hours at a time checking every thing in front of them for signs of movement and evidence of the enemy.

    WHo wants to walk through one of the forests in Everon taking hours to go a short distance?

    I know I don't and I'd be suprised if anyone else does.


    Similarly. If a patrol is ambushed and become overwhelmed what happens?
    the enemy creates a kill zone in the middle, hammers the patrol with fire and closes off exits.
    What chance does the player have of escaping if the ambush is to be realistic unless the mission maker offers him an unrealistic way out?

    Also, with such a large open environment like OFP, How do you stop the player from walking off to the other side of the map and avoiding objectives? fill the rest of the map with enemies? stop the game if he veers off too far?
    neither of these are realistic and I know that it's not realistic that a soldier would walk off in the opposite direction from his mission but it's possible that a player might.


    I think the best thing to do is offer realistic mission briefings, gear loads and scenarios and leave it at that. if you can do that then you've done very well indeed.

    If slogging through the woods for hours an inch at a time or out and out realism is your thing, my advice to you would be to go and have a word with your local armed forces recruitment office.

  6. #96
    "Realism" should not be confused with "idealism"

    I mean, depending what army you're in - Ideally an infantry section should have about 10 men with 2 x guns - Ideally a tank platoon should have 4 x tanks - IDEALLY everyone should have a fancy ACOG sight and a UAV

    But in "REALITY" - soldiers get killed - tanks break down - ammo runs out - units are worn down and link up with one another

    So is it UNREALISTIC to see a T-80 and a T-72 in the same platoon? No. It might not be Russian / Soviet doctrine. But it could certainly happen. Is it unrealistic for tanks to attack without infantry support? It might be unorthodox and contrary to doctrine, but there's no reason why it can't happen in REALITY. Perhaps all the infantry are dead and the tank commander has no choice

    In war, extenuating circumstnaces might require that doctrine be broken some of the time (i.e. alot of the time) - So why get fussed if everyone hasn't got the proper gear or aren't obeying proper SOP's?

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    agree or disagree?

    when planning a mission several factors go into account.
    against an unprepared enemy spec ops dominates. the
    term light refers to the level of intensity of the conflict
    in the area. if the area is under heavy fire thats a high
    intensity area, therefore light infantry is sent into low
    intensity conflicts.

    the four branches of the military represent the four areas we can project our force: coast, air, land, and the sea.

    when war starts all branches of the military rush to get to their intended targets.

    the spec ops search for their hit in smaller teams. for a successful hit,
    sometimes stealth is required or infiltration where overwhelming force
    won't work.

    navy seals are navy spec ops. since the navy is usually the
    first one to react to international situations without war, the
    seals are the prime candidates. they also serve the navy and
    its crew whatever ship they're on. when the navy assaults a
    base the seals go in whatever necessary configuration the
    situation calls for.

    devgru is a navy version of delta, counter terrorists.

    marines invade the coasts making sure noone can escape by boat.
    they move men and supplies by water and land, and their job is to
    secure the embassies as well as retake enemy held territory.

    some marine units are tasked with waiting out at sea on call
    during heightened states of tension

    force recon are marine commandoes that handle special ops for the marines,
    or in other words, hits on special targets.

    the air force is responsible for securing the airspace if jets are
    a problem. this is for more developed nations.

    even the air force has its own special ops to take care of lasing
    targets for bombs, finding downed pilots, handling incidents at
    base as well.

    rangers are the army's spec ops hitting low intensity areas
    for either intel or surprise raids. when they're not raiding
    they're patrolling.

    101 airborne is an air assault unit that is dropped in by chopper, in the old
    days it was by parachute, though there still are parachute units in the army

    infantry and mechanized infantry arrive by plane to a base
    the rangers have established.

    green berets are commandoes who handle guerilla warfare
    at an organizational level as well as tactical, responsible
    for planning, manning, and handling counter guerilla
    operations.

    delta is an army counter terrorist unit.

    definitions:

    terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or
    violence by a person or an organized group against people
    or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing
    societies or governments, often for ideological or political
    reasons.

    guerilla warfare - sudden unexpected attacks carried out by
    an unofficial military group or groups that are trying to
    change the government by assaults on the armed forces.

    raid - A sudden forcible entry into a place or another's
    territory for the purpose of seizing goods or valuables.
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  8. #98
    I dont care if the missions are realistic or not in every litle detail...

    How many of you were in the army???
    not many i gues...
    People watch lots of documentary and movies and try to visualise the real thing

    I was in a army for some time...not in a war but i have some of the friends who have been in a Croatian-Serbian war
    Belive me when i say that theyre stors are musch different from moves and Documentarys

    (wee all know that even in documentarys producers like to change some things to make it more interesting)

    I went trough an infantry basic training than i was on artilary Zis 75 mm old bulshit AT gun, it has like 1200 kg (2400 pounds) witch we onley used to push up the hill and down (6 of us)

    When we asked why are we practising on that old pile of shit, the CO said because we have alot of ammunition for it and have to spend it anyway :P

    Late we got the real thing 120 mm gun

    What i want to say that 90-95% in war you are like in training, always marching somewere, carrying some load, patroling, building a camp, freazing your ass, sleeping in the wind and rain, and than you see some action (or you get shoot and end up home with out shooting 10 bullits)

    most soldiers dont even see combat at all, some se it one time and 20% of them se it more than a few times...

    So how to make an realistic mission when there was no real war in a long time and no one knows how it would look like if a two formidable oponents would clash with all the modern equipment...
    in the last 50 years most wars are troops against guerila...or a powerfull military country against a third world country (thats why there are guerilla, if you are weaker than you adapt to the situaton

    Its known that when Hanibal atacked the Roman empire he used unusual tactics for that time and managed to defet much biger and well equiped army, sloughtering 90 000 roman trops (the bigest loss the roman empire has seen in 100 years)


    My favorite campagne in OFP was the "Cold War Crisys"...
    because it had a dose of realisam and athmosfere and there were other units on the battlefield, tank and air suport

    I still remember the first time i played the first mission in CWC campagne...
    mission ended without my shooting any bodey (it showed that the war is happening and i'm not the hero that saves the day, im just another grunt in this massive assault) first game that had the mission were you acctualy have to gard a radar station at night, or recon for enemy AA, or escape from captivety and orientate your self by stars...things like that made it interesting and stand out from other game were in every mission you kill 200 enemy soldiers over and over again...

    "Red Hammer" was not that god because 90% of the time i was all alone or a smal group against mass of enemy units (rambo kinde of style), same thing with "Rsistance " campagne

    it dosent have to be realistic but it has to have atmosphere!
    like there is a war going on out there

    This game simulates battlefield so why make only missions like spec-op
    use the games potential, if it has tanks, helis and infantry use them all to make versatile missions

    Why onley focus on your group, put other groups like they have theyre job too and the mission will be more interesting if you see friendly units at your right side doing theyre thing, helis in air covering you and tank suporting the infantry

    What makes the game realistic and interesting, its not the addons, graphic or how the trops look like, its how the mission is designed and if it has the battlefield athmosphere!!!
    Last edited by Rellikki; Jan 24 2012 at 01:20. Reason: Removed off-topic

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