European Politics Thread.

Well, about France, i don't know ANYBODY that owns a weapon, apart some friends who are hunters. Very few weapons out there.

Almost nobody own guns legally in Germany except sports marksmen, hunter, gun collector, police and military.

Furthermore you can forget to get a chance to obtain a concealed carry permit in germany as a private person.

What you can get is a firearm certificate which i.e. sports marksmen use for a permission to hold firearms, but you are not eligible to carry firearms in public. You need to do an official psychological/medical assesment and beeing without criminal record.

Since 2003 you need even a "small gun licence" for gas pistols pistols or which you use on new years eve for fireworks - in addition the use of such pistols is only allowed on your own private property and not in public anymore.

Germany has one of the most strictly weapon laws and this is good - we have very low firearms incidents.

followup:

press release from January 2014 about registered firearms in private hands in Germany:

~5,5 million legal fire arms registered in private hands and distributed among 1,45 million possessors: Hunter, Sport Marksmen, Collector and Safety Companies.

http://www.zeit.de/2014/04/waffen-deutschland

Well, about France, i don't know ANYBODY that owns a weapon, apart some friends who are hunters. Very few weapons out there.

I know some people that own weapons in different countries of the EU, most of them hunters tho I also known a weapon freak US style who owns a few sniper rifles, submachine guns ( for example a 1920's Tommy gun ) and "limited" assault rifles like M4s ( limited meaning that the automatic fire mode is disabled ).

Here in Finland a lot of people owns different kinds of guns.

IMO copying the US policy that everyone has the right to bear arms would be a huge mistake. Weapons should be limited to certain people that can prove their intentions and their mental status. Should be a bit like getting a car license but more strict, with checks every few years, after all weapons' main goal is to kill.

( BBC ) 'Speak German at home' row as conservatives target migrants

Immigrants should speak German not only in public but also in the home, Bavaria's governing conservatives say - provoking a torrent of criticism.

The Christian Social Union (CSU), an ally of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, says it is a matter for debate, and is not yet official policy.

Critics launched a Twitter hashtag - #YallaCSU - which became a top trending topic among German Twitter users.

Some express alarm about politics reaching into the home.

The hashtag is an ironic joke at the CSU's expense, as "Yalla" is Arabic for "let's go!"

The CSU draft proposal says "people who want to remain here on a permanent basis should be encouraged to speak German in public and within the family".

CSU general secretary Andreas Scheuer said the proposal was "well prepared and widely backed".

The general secretary of the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD), Yasmin Fahimi, said the CSU had "arrived in Absurdistan.

"It would be hilarious if it weren't so dangerous," she said. The SPD, like the CSU, is in coalition with Ms Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) at national level.

And once more the CSU proves that it is a totally ridiculous (and populistic) party

And once more the CSU proves that it is a totally ridiculous (and populistic) party

Totally agreed. But unfortunately, there's still enough people in Bavaria voting for it just because they don't know better. :confused:

Having said that, I wouldn't call them "populistic" as that is just politics. You have to be populistic in a certain degree to be successful. If people wanted to hear the truth, they wouldn't always vote for the biggest liars and hypocrites.

So, there have been some demonstration initiated by Nazis in Germany. The people joining that demonstration were told not to speak with the German press, but they were all to happy to speak with an (obviously) fake RT Germany reporter. Hillarious.

The only people in Germany who believe that RT is objective are the nazis.

German:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/2303462/heute-show-vom-12.12.2014?bc=sts;stt#/beitrag/video/2303446/Ryssen-Today-deutsch

skip to 20:10 to see the full segment about Pegida

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/2303462/heute-show-vom-12.12.2014?bc=sts;stt#/beitrag/video/2303462/heute-show-vom-12.12.2014

The only people in Germany who believe that RT is objective are the nazis.

Nazis are like "Kinder eggs" - outside brown, inside hollow.

Nazis are like "Kinder eggs" - outside brown' date=' inside hollow.[/quote']

Nice one :D

Meet the German idiots/lowlifes:

idiots ? or maybe sane people who do not want beheading, burning faces by acid, hanging gays, forbidding music, forbidding types of food, sharia, jihad, terror acts , no-go zones, ghettos full of never working but always on benefits ? maybe finally west wakes up after Sharia patrols, Sharia police ?

maybe another person was attacked for eating ham but mainstream media do not talk about it ? does western mainstream media say about Boko Haram actions in Nigeria ?

does mainstream media say about faces burned by acid of women that denied to marry given men ? does western mainstream media say about those who demand to ban Christmass ? does mainstream media show no-go zones which turned some european cities to dangerous places like Marsile city in France ?

although in PL muslims are 0.08% but their immam told that Sharia should be set up, that terrorists are okay, jihad is okay and small girls can mary old men,

our civilisation of freedom to sexual relation, drink whatever we want, eat whatever we want - has danger - those who want to forbid some kinds of food due to religious reasons,

read more islamic forums when they say that music is haram and metal should be banned, cause it is haram,

read more about hanged gays, hanged or burned to death lesbians,

read about guy who raped 13 y.o. girl and in court said that his religion allows it and for him nothing happened etc. etc. etc.

maybe people in west starting to wake up from naive dream - otherwise they can be very suprised when in 2030 they will become minority and all freedom we have would be forbidden as not halal ,

shame i cannot post here videos how they hang gays, stone to death lesbians , burn by acid and set up fire on person whose only fault was being Christian,

should i post again videos from youtube when young Arab imigrants attack people on streets of France, when youth Arabic imigrants shout that Allah will conquer whole Europe and Europe will be caliphate ?

should i link again to news when Muslims attacked men who was eating ham ? or link to news when Muslims thrown stones at people leaving from Church after Sunday's mass ?

or maybe links to some news from few Swedish cities like Malmo ? don't be naive, they would kill you for eating Pizza with beacon with glass of wine when listening to Slayer if you did this in their country like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan , they would kill you if you would be born as gay there, so dont defend them, they would not defend you,

there are people sentenced there for death for "blasphemy" in Saudi Arabia, in Pakistan, in Iran and in many many Islamic countries,

can you imagine death penalty for saying that you do not follow or respect "god" ? than go to Pakistan for example

those protesting people want our tradition to sustain, our freedom, our secular state, porn, music, drink, food etc.

read about London sharia patrol which was attacking people , natives for kissing, for holding hands, read about murders they commit,

soon we have Christmass, OUR tradition i wonder if there will be attacks, proposals to ban it in some western cities, cause it is OUR tradition, tradition of our ancestors and we must keep it , and defend it

the biggest idiocy is to say that human cannot eat something tasty because creature on the cloud called god told so , i eat what i want, when i want, and i will defend freedom to eat what ii want, listen to music, watch porn,

when someone will come to say that we cannot have our freedom (sex, food, drink, movies, music, clothes) we will fight i hope

don't you know what happens currently in Australia ? our Polish intel just de-classified info about Islamic terrorists acts that were planned (but disarmed) on Christmass Eve here (but they captured Islamists who planned attack here in Chrsimass)

we had middle ages here... 1400-400 years ago, lets not allow to repeat history and burn people because of "blasphemy"

http://www.examiner.com/article/egyptian-fatwa-women-who-swim-the-ocean-guilty-of-adultery

while our freedom allow to go to swingers club, nudist beaches

Yeah Vilas, those things are horrible, but you can´t replace one evil with the other. Those Nazis are just as crazy/stupid as the Islamists. I hope you don´t really think of that drunk and violent bunch as sane people....

Sadly we can also say that our politics are insane as well.

We already have reports of rising criminality rate on a daily basis.

And we also had our own sharia police, salafists and thankfully prevented terror attacks.

However I fear something similar to the recent hostage situation in Sydney could happen here sooner or later too.

I do hope our politicians will rethink their immigration policies, but I really doubt they will even if worse things start to happen.

Those people flee from a bad life, but instead of adapting to a new one, they start to spread their way of life here even with force.

Germany just can not allow itself to be even a little bit intolerant against any foreigners due to our history.

EDIT:

Another problem is that we see more and more people from Europe being killed in Syria fighting for the islamists.

Simple minded people who were led to believe in the holy war of true islam against false islam (wait what?) and other religions.

Someone will just vanish one day, and then a couple of weeks or months later we see a report in our newspaper that he or she was killed in Syria or Iraq.

We see how missionaries of radical islam are turning our own people against us and we do nothing about it.

And we should know how dangerous that is because we did the same successfully during the colonial era and were able to subjugate whole continents by spreading our culture.

That being said Im not against islam or any other religion, though I think that religions had its use during the dark times, but science should concern the people now for the greater good.

There are however issues with radical followers in every religion, that tend to cause troubles for everyone else.

Allegedly almost ~20.000 did demonstrate in the streets of Dresden, joining the "Pegida" movement against islamization and religious fanatism. The politics has it not easy to clearly interpret the instigators and demonstrators, different/mixed persons in comparison to the hooligan protest event.You see even in this reuters video report that one black man is holding a Pagida transparent. Some representatives did suggest the following strange idea: singing muslim songs in the Christmas Eve Mass in churches and in the mosque singing christmas hymns as a sign of tolerance and respect.

Reuters Video Report:

http://www.zeit.de/video/2014-12/3956979906001/dresden-polizei-meldet-erneut-tausende-pegida-teilnehmer

The amount of muslime in East Germany is actually not that high wheras in the west, cities exist with a higher percentage. Allegedly only 0,5% are muslime in overall east germany. Iam not sure where this all will end up, the demonstrations will probably vanish after some time.

What europeans think about EU's international policy and the anti-Russian sanctions in particular:

http://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/101612/07/1016120799.png (213 kB)

What europeans think about EU's international policy and the anti-Russian sanctions in particular:

http://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/101612/07/1016120799.png (213 kB)

Yup an opinion poll cooked by the Kremlin's funded Sputnik propaganda site. Really neutral and so on. :annoy:

I miss RIA.

What europeans think about EU's international policy and the anti-Russian sanctions in particular:

http://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/101612/07/1016120799.png (213 kB)

By Sputnik= I don´t trust it one bit.

I don't get what makes a CNN survey more reliable than a Sputnik survey. Either you trust statistics or you don't, but please stop applying double standards.

Who said I would trust a CNN survey? But at least they don´t spend their time fabricating stories out of nowhere 24/7

On a more serious note: This survey is really shit. they asked only Germans, French and English. Since when does the EU consist of only those states? They also asked a pitifully small number of people. And nowhere do they explain what kind of people they asked or how this survey was conducted. It could be an online srvey from their website (and propably is) for gods sake.

Who said I would trust a CNN survey? But at least they don´t spend their time fabricating stories out of nowhere 24/7

Do you require a newspaper to mention their sources to evaluate how trustworthy they are? It's easy to blaim a newspaper, TV channel, website to be propagandistic. But as to me it takes more than that to indicate something to be "influenced" or "propagandistic".

From what I've learned about "our" western mass media, I don't trust their independence either. They may be independent de jure, but de facto, they're following the western political line just as those "propaganda" channels many here seem to blame. That's why I always say that you have to inform yourself in many different sources because everyone is telling his own story, his own propaganda. Some more obvious, some more subtle, but everyone does it, no matter which part of the earth it comes from.

On a more serious note: This survey is really shit. they asked only Germans, French and English. Since when does the EU consist of only those states

Agreed.

They also asked a pitifully small number of people. And nowhere do they explain what kind of people they asked or how this survey was conducted. It could be an online srvey from their website (and propably is) for gods sake.

If you do some research on surveys done by "Eurostat", "Destatis" or "Infratest dimap", their surveys don't cover many more people and they neither say what kind of people they ask. The reason behind that is that - firstly - not every person tells them everything and - secondly - they have to keep a certain degree of data protection as it might become easy to identify certain individuals by their data and that might keep people from participating in such surveys.

Do you require a newspaper to mention their sources to evaluate how trustworthy they are? It's easy to blaim a newspaper' date=' TV channel, website to be propagandistic. But as to me it takes more than that to indicate something to be "influenced" or "propagandistic".

From what I've learned about "our" western mass media, I don't trust their independence either. They may be independent de jure, but de facto, they're following the western political line just as those "propaganda" channels many here seem to blame. That's why I always say that you have to inform yourself in many different sources because everyone is telling his own story, his own propaganda. Some more obvious, some more subtle, but everyone does it, no matter which part of the earth it comes from.

Agreed.

If you do some research on surveys done by "Eurostat", "Destatis" or "Infratest dimap", their surveys don't cover many more people and they neither say what kind of people they ask. The reason behind that is that - firstly - not every person tells them everything and - secondly - they have to keep a certain degree of data protection as it might become easy to identify certain individuals by their data and that might keep people from participating in such surveys.[/quote']

I don´t ask for peoples names but they should at least write down what age and social groups they interviewed. A Trustworthy survey will also always mention how it was conducted. (Online, Phone, random people in the street, etc.)

In other words, this survey is pretty shit and not representative at all. I would love to see a representative survey with those questions though.

I don't like being nitpicky, but the survey was not done by Sputnik itself, but by ICM Research, which it actually says in the subtitle. Not only is ICM a british (aka not pro-russian) company, it is also a member of the British Polling Council, whos objective is "to ensure standards of disclosure, designed to provide readers of published quantitative survey results with an adequate basis for judging the reliability and validity of the presented statistical findings" (resp. Wikipedia article)

The information somebody finds out tells something about how willing that person is to know that information.

look here: The latest poll on behalf of the Russian news agency Rossiya Segodnya

http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/press/eu-role-in-sanctions-on-russia

"But statistics are just statistics and you trust them only if you fake em by yourself" ;)

Germany – respondents were selected by random digit dialling (100% landline) and interviews were conducted by an automated voice service (IVR). Responses were weighted to age, gender and region.

As far as I know, that is actually forbidden in Germany (Random digit dial with IVR), soooo.....

As far as I know, that is actually forbidden in Germany (Random digit dial with IVR), soooo.....

It's not. It's the typical way of doing polls when it comes to companies like "Destat" or "Infratest dimap"

Forbidden are other things related to dubious selling stuff.