European Politics Thread.

[PELHAM]

Some people also have very vivid imaginations lol

This law is only relevant between 2 entities - The Security Services and ISPs so it can't spread to local government. So you got that wrong. You don't know how the law works or how government is organised, that is probably why you are so confused? I do realise other laws were misused but they have been repealed or changed so nothing is set in stone. I and no one I know was ever stopped and questioned, I understand a few people hoping to post something on YouTube engineered trouble for themselves.

GCHQ don't have the resources or interest to read everyones email. They are looking for major security threats to the nation, nothing else.
They have requested this apply to all citizens because they a) don't have a complete list and b) don't want to compromise investigations by handing lists of names to ISP's.
I really don't give a shit about anyone following my internet habits, reading my email, opening my post because they will never find anything illegal.

I hope this makes life much more difficult for thoase engaged in illegal activity and terrorism and I feel nothing for them. If this means that sometime in the future I can get on a plane and go on holiday without standing in a line for an hour and removing my belt and shoes I will be perfectly happy.

RE David Davis - he is a very sad, bitter man who had his political carrer ended a few years ago after poorly run leadership campaign . He will say anything to get revenge on his political enemies (much like gorgeous George Galloway).

[Tonci87]

Some people also have very vivid imaginations lol

This law is only relevant between 2 entities - The Security Services and ISPs so it can't spread to local government. So you got that wrong. You don't know how the law works or how government is organised, that is probably why you are so confused? I do realise other laws were misused but they have been repealed or changed so nothing is set in stone. I and no one I know was ever stopped and questioned, I understand a few people hoping to post something on YouTube engineered trouble for themselves.

GCHQ don't have the resources or interest to read everyones email. They are looking for major security threats to the nation, nothing else.
They have requested this apply to all citizens because they a) don't have a complete list and b) don't want to compromise investigations by handing lists of names to ISP's.
I really don't give a shit about anyone following my internet habits, reading my email, opening my post because they will never find anything illegal.

I hope this makes life much more difficult for thoase engaged in illegal activity and terrorism and I feel nothing for them. If this means that sometime in the future I can get on a plane and go on holiday without standing in a line for an hour and removing my belt and shoes I will be perfectly happy.

RE David Davis - he is a very sad, bitter man who had his political carrer ended a few years ago after poorly run leadership campaign . He will say anything to get revenge on his political enemies (much like gorgeous George Galloway).

Do you mind if the government installs a camera in your apartment? Why not, they won´t find anything illegal, won´t they?

[PELHAM]

Do you mind if the government installs a camera in your apartment? Why not, they won´t find anything illegal, won´t they?

lol That is not what this is. Put an extra layer on your tinfoil hat. They will only ever monitor a few hundred people at a time, those suspected of terrorism and large scale crime. If something bad happens or a major crime is committed, the records and this ability may help to solve it more quickly. I really don't have a probem with it. The people blustering about this in the press are simply using it for their own political agendas and careers.

[Tonci87]

lol That is not what this is. Put an extra layer on your tinfoil hat. They will only ever monitor a few hundred people at a time, those suspected of terrorism and large scale crime. If something bad happens or a major crime is committed, the records and this ability may help to solve it more quickly. I really don't have a probem with it. The people blustering about this in the press are simply using it for their own political agendas and careers.

Its about where you draw the line. A camera in your apartment would be to much for you, right? But it won´t bother you if they read your mails? You do realize that governments are about to make more and more laws that allow them to controll their citizens, right? Just take a look at was was allowed 20 years ago and compare it to today´s standarts. This trend will continue. Our Grandchildren might actuall have a camera in their apartment, to protect them against thieves of course...

[NoRailgunner]

Naive people do like to follow someone who promise them "peace and comfy living" even if their freedom will be just a little bit more or fully restricted/observed. Of course no one ever was or is or will be interested in marketing/advertisement and product placement or selling personal data. C'mon have a little bit more trust in your politics, those important economical lobbies and of course the bureaucracy - they all will surely do all they can to save or expand their own power. That is just fair and vital to how the world works! Isn't it easier to live in a world that is painted/preset just in black and white?

[mrcash2009]

As regards cameras in your apartment, just go out and purchase the latest smart TV:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-concerns.html

They make my skin crawl, they come with a nice built in mic too & face recognition (fun for the family & loaded with facebook). Just package it under "entertainment" .. government not included, DIY surveillance.

If some years back the government said:

"we are setting up a website for online profiles for individuals so it can be monitored, you all need to be on our digital network, you all need a microphone in your home and a camera. Also we will set up a government package where you internet and phone is under one network. We will supply you with a mobile device that you carry at all times also connected to such network and monitor your location, we will also be able to monitor all of this collectively and store the data for 2 years".

People would have rioted or shit themselves ... but, its carefully introduced slowly under entertainment, seemingly all separate and all under your own free will.

Not so much a requirement for a tin foil hat, just ignorance or turning a blind eye, or simply ill informed.

**back on topic**

Sorry Pelham but your a tad naive just to keep things so boxed in about this that the net would not widen later on once its implemented and built upon, you dont need an imagination, just look around. Im not saying that currently your wrong, what I am saying is "once its implemented it will be broadened out".

I really don't give a shit about anyone following my internet habits, reading my email, opening my post because they will never find anything illegal.

Again the "nothing to hide nothing to worry about" mantra, its old hat and doesn't quite fit what's happening of late. Ever understood privacy? Ever understood general principle. That one statement you have made is numero uno why things will get more tightened, because you dont give a shit, and that EXACTLY how you are supposed to react to it. The problem is it wont be your lifetime that gets fucked over with this, it will be later generations when they get the full brunt of its implementation among other things, oh so very selfishly & simplisticly put Pelham. BTW you care to forget your phone calls and SMS.

You also seem to miss the fact that this gives a green light to anyone "anyway" not, we need to investigate this and then take such steps, its simply blanket use effecting the majority to be monitored even they have done sod all as a rule of thumb. And unless your work with such agencies, have clearance on the data storage servers, actual work in the department creating such storage and organisation of it, I will take your point with a pinch of salt.

If this means that sometime in the future I can get on a plane and go on holiday without standing in a line for an hour and removing my belt and shoes I will be perfectly happy.

Keep dreaming. This will stay the same & more xray scanners, that will then end up on coach and bus/train terminals later, and guess what, no terror found all the time and everyone shafted and still your data is then monitored when your not travelling or being inconvenienced. Also you can pay a fast track fee to beat the qeues ... that should tell you something.

Also you stated and I understand they can do this type of procedure you mention (getting intel and then taking steps to tap phone, check email text and such) already, and as you know this and so do I, plus agencies are already set up to track and monitor terrorist activity with all kinds of algorithm software, we get told high and low level threats all year round (so who knows this exactly enough to let the public know) .............. so, why then does it need to be branched out open house to anyone in the UK? I dont see any more or less terrorists running a mock.

Let me step out on a limb and say that its about setting up this system because allot of descent will happen in the future about many world subjects rolling out right now.

[OnlyRazor]

As JC Denton said: "Some people just don't understand the dangers of indiscriminate surveillance."

[batto]

They will only ever monitor a few hundred people at a time

Dude, it's 21th century. "They" will be looking at results of a query from complex cybernetic systems.

lol That is not what this is. Put an extra layer on your tinfoil hat. They will only ever monitor a few hundred people at a time, those suspected of terrorism and large scale crime. If something bad happens or a major crime is committed, the records and this ability may help to solve it more quickly. I really don't have a probem with it. The people blustering about this in the press are simply using it for their own political agendas and careers.

Anyway this really looks like a troll fail. I'm starting to think that PEHALM is just old school master troll having fun on BIS forums.

[PELHAM]

Anyway this really looks like a troll fail. I'm starting to think that PEHALM is just old school master troll having fun on BIS forums.

I'm only airing my opinions just like anyone else, I didn't start this thread, I am reacting to it. I could call you many names "dude" but it would be an infraction under rule #1 wouldn't it?
I am well aware the security services trawl communications networks looking for key words. They only look in detail at specific targets though. Start up google earth and count the number of car parking spaces at GCHQ and work out yourself how many people they can study in detail. It is preposterous to think that there is someone sitting in a room somewhere reading your emails.
What is it that you get up to that you're so sensitive about revealing anyway? Say they find your summer holiday photos of you up a mountainside raping a sheep. GCHQ are not in the slightest bit interested in your sexual habits, it's not a national security issue. The computers wouldn't flag it and even if some operative saw it he would giggle for 5 mins and move on.

[Tonci87]

Well I don´t want my emails being read by anyone, be it a computer or a operator. Why? Because they are mine! It´s called privacy.