USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[walker]

Hi all

In reply to Ralph Wiggum's points:

I presume, since you sent me no Moderation warning and that I can see nothing listed in this forum's rules that prevents the discussion of this running sore in the US body politic, that you were not wearing your Moderator hat; but merely voicing your own hopes that gun law was not once more discussed in the forum. That would seem to be somewhat forlorn in the light of two mass murderings of innocents in as many weeks.

That it is a problem is a given, problems are things to be discussed, sometimes with passion and yes heat, but more sensibly with well founded argument; that is after all the purpose of a forum.

Politics is after all about dealing with and discussing problems in order to find solutions, and not about sweeping them under the carpet. US Gun law and the dire effects of guns legaly bought by Nutjobs is clearly a problem, US citizens cannot in safety go to their place of worship or recieve an education or watch a film with their family without the threat of mass murder. Ergo it is a subject of political discussion. The regularity with which so many innocent men women and children are murdered with legaly sold and purchased firearms means the subject is bound to be discussed every time it happens.

As to your point about my knowledge of the subject, US Gun Law is a matter of public record and described in the laws of each state and on multiple sites by many parties.

For Example:

The NRA -ILA carries them:
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws.aspx

If that is too far right for you or too complex for you to understand, then the information is available on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...tes_(by_state)
With links to the original sources for verification and more detailed inview.

As is obvious several states do not comply with the Brady Act and it is the stated aim of the NRA - ILA to remove and water down the Brady Act.

My point is that US Gun law, or rather the lack of it, is the biggest terrorist threat to America that exists, and it is only a matter of time before Al Qaeda uses that weekness in US defenses to commit an atrocity that would dwarf 9/11.

With Deepest Respect and Kind Regards Walker

[RalphWiggum]

Hi all

In reply to Ralph Wiggum's points:

I presume, since you sent me no Moderation warning and that I can see nothing listed in this forum's rules that prevents the discussion of this running sore in the US body politic, that you were not wearing your Moderator hat; but merely voicing your own hopes that gun law was not once more discussed in the forum. That would seem to be somewhat forlorn in the light of two mass murderings of innocents in as many weeks.

Actually, I did not sent Moderation warning because I tried to keep it easy, but if you want, I can start sending warnings to you. The topic has been dealt many times with SAME results. I see no reason to start one again.

That it is a problem is a given, problems are things to be discussed, sometimes with passion and yes heat, but more sensibly with well founded argument; that is after all the purpose of a forum.

And you don't have much of sensible argument. I've seen you post here for years and it was only by sheer luck that you were not banned.

As is obvious several states do not comply with the Brady Act and it is the stated aim of the NRA - ILA to remove and water down the Brady Act.

If you haven't noticed, Brady Act expired nearly 8 years ago. Yet, here you are claiming that several states do not comply. States no longer comply to the law becaue it expired. This is an example of you not knowing much about the situation and running things off your mouth after reading some articles.

This will stop right now. If you attempt to post another another statement or argument discussing gun law, you will face the consequence. I am talking as a moderator.

[Prydain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fdisTOKom5I

Todd Akin, serving since 2001, says that the female body has inbuilt an contraceptive ability and that because of this women who are pregnant because of rape shouldn't be allowed to decide for themselves as to what happens to their body and doesn't seem to be aware that he is contradicting his own idea.

Is there anyone with a hint of sanity in the Republican party?

[GRS]

Is there anyone with a hint of sanity in the Republican party?

Here we go again... Yes, there are plenty, this guy just isn't one. Believe it or not, it's quite common on both sides of the spectrum.

[maturin]

My point is that US Gun law, or rather the lack of it, is the biggest terrorist threat to America that exists, and it is only a matter of time before Al Qaeda uses that weekness in US defenses to commit an atrocity that would dwarf 9/11.

I'm not exactly Charleton Heston here, but how the hell is Al Qaeda supposed to kill more than 3000 people with firearms? They can barely manage that over a multi-year period in other countries.

And how are gun laws supposed to stop a carefully-planned, well-funded conspiracy anyways? Gun laws are aimed at common criminals, not guerrilla fighters and drug cartels. Strict gun control has results. Spotty and inconsistent results, just like all laws.

[PELHAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fdisTOKom5I
Todd Akin, serving since 2001, says that the female body has inbuilt an contraceptive ability and that because of this women who are pregnant because of rape shouldn't be allowed to decide for themselves as to what happens to their body and doesn't seem to be aware that he is contradicting his own idea.

Heh heh - stunningly stupid, Todd Akin is a moron, I hope this guy loses his seat and never holds public office again.
You can find them on both sides though, look up Hank Johnson Dem. Georgia, he stated that the Island of Guam could possibly capsize if too many people were on the island, he won an election after that so don't have any high expectations in the Akin case!

[RalphWiggum]

I'm not exactly Charleton Heston here, but how the hell is Al Qaeda supposed to kill more than 3000 people with firearms? They can barely manage that over a multi-year period in other countries.

And how are gun laws supposed to stop a carefully-planned, well-funded conspiracy anyways? Gun laws are aimed at common criminals, not guerrilla fighters and drug cartels. Strict gun control has results. Spotty and inconsistent results, just like all laws.

As I said earlier,

The topic has been dealt many times with SAME results. I see no reason to start one again.

Please do not discuss this topic. I've been here 10 years and I know how it is going to go and it always ends up the same way.

[Tonci87]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jason...0.27.17-AM.png

Quite many banks on one side....
You just need to take a look at the Top donors to know how the presidency of this candidate will look.

[walker]

Hi all

The current regime in Israel is openly trying to orchestrate the US elections for its own ends. It appears they think of Mitt Romney as their next puppet.

As this editorial makes clear, and it is not the only one:

Defeating Obama is top priority
Op-ed: Israeli strike in Iran before elections would divert attention from failed US economy
Shoula Romano Horing Published: 08.29.12, 11:23 / Israel Opinion

Using military force to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons is the only option left for Israel but it is not in its best interest to strike before the US elections. Now it is more important for Israel that Barack Obama be defeated...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...274390,00.html
As always follow the link to the original article in full
Thankfully not all Israeli's think of America and americans as puppets. The current Israeli President does support the Netanyahu regime attempts to start a global and appocaliptic war, that would draw in the rest of the middle east the US Europe, Russia and China.

Actually, Shimon Peres has opposed war with Iran for yearsWhen President Shimon Peres spoke out this week against an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, his long-standing opposition to such a move finally became public.
By Anshel Pfeffer | Aug.18, 2012 | 6:58 PM | 4

...That is why I was so surprised when two and a half years ago, one of his aides said to me in a chance remark that “Shimon is doing everything to block Bibi and Barak’s crazy plan to attack Iran.”

It seemed to fly in the face of everything he had achieved since assuming the presidency. To clarify the aide’s remark, I asked one of Peres’ oldest confidantes, who told me “It’s true, Ashkenazi and the other security chiefs are all looking to Shimon to lead the opposition to a strike on Iran.”...

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-axi...emium-1.459079
As always follow the link to the original article in full

In reality Israel's own Nukes are more than adequate to defend Israel against even the potential of a Nuclear armed Iran.

The plane fact is that the first article and a host of other similar articles that have appeared, in the Pro Netanyahu Israeli press, make it clear that all the Iran talk is really about manupulating the USA and controling its choice of political leaders, and ensuring Bibi gets re-elected.

Kind Regards walker

[Tonci87]

Hi all

The current regime in Israel is openly trying to orchestrate the US elections for its own ends. It appears they think of Mitt Romney as their next puppet.

As this editorial makes clear, and it is not the only one:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...274390,00.html
As always follow the link to the original article in full
Thankfully not all Israeli's think of America and americans as puppets. The current Israeli President does support the Netanyahu regime attempts to start a global and appocaliptic war, that would draw in the rest of the middle east the US Europe, Russia and China.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-axi...emium-1.459079
As always follow the link to the original article in full

In reality Israel's own Nukes are more than adequate to defend Israel against even the potential of a Nuclear armed Iran.

The plane fact is that the first article and a host of other similar articles that have appeared, in the Pro Netanyahu Israeli press, make it clear that all the Iran talk is really about manupulating the USA and controling its choice of political leaders, and ensuring Bibi gets re-elected.

Kind Regards walker

Thankfully? I´m actually quite surprised considereing how the USA always "protects" them even if they do silly things...