Two Russian Civilian Airlines Lost on Radar

[bn880]

They are saying the investigation is focusing on fouled aviation fuel and/or pilot error. Bad weather was reported in the area.

This could indeed be one of those really strange coincidences, though I still find it hard to believe.


EDIT: Though if both planes used the same fouled aviation tanker....that would not make it such a coincedence.

Fouled fuel could do that, but it would have to be pretty drastic fo the planes to explode in the air....

You never know, it's Russia after all.

I know, want to see my IRC log from yesterday? Well here it is anyway:

Quote[/b] ][19:32] <bn880> oh shit
[19:33] <bn880> 2 ussian civ planes may have crashed
[19:33] <A> oh shit?
[19:33] <bn880> *russian
[19:33] <A> doh
[19:33] <bn880> 44 and 42 people
[19:33] <bn880> ...
[19:33] <bn880> not as bad as 240 and 250
[19:34] <bn880> well that sucks, but what can you do, still safer than cars
[19:34] <B> yeah, one definitely crashed,
[19:34] <B> the other disappeared from radar 3 minutes later
[19:34] <B> in different parts of the country
[19:34] <B> but they both left the same airport
[19:34] <B> go figure
[19:35] <bn880> yeah
[19:35] <bn880> odd
[19:35] <bn880> diluted fuel?

I would not put it past possibility.

[Supah]

They are saying the investigation is focusing on fouled aviation fuel and/or pilot error. Bad weather was reported in the area.

This could indeed be one of those really strange coincidences, though I still find it hard to believe.


EDIT: Though if both planes used the same fouled aviation tanker....that would not make it such a coincedence.

Fouled fuel could do that, but it would have to be pretty drastic fo the planes to explode in the air....

You never know, it&#39;s Russia after all.

I know, want to see my IRC log from yesterday? ***Well here it is anyway:

Quote[/b] ][19:32] <bn880> oh shit
[19:33] <bn880> 2 ussian civ planes may have crashed
[19:33] <A> oh shit?
[19:33] <bn880> *russian
[19:33] <A> doh
[19:33] <bn880> 44 and 42 people
[19:33] <bn880> ...
[19:33] <bn880> not as bad as 240 and 250
[19:34] <bn880> well that sucks, but what can you do, still safer than cars
[19:34] <B> yeah, one definitely crashed,
[19:34] <B> the other disappeared from radar 3 minutes later
[19:34] <B> in different parts of the country
[19:34] <B> but they both left the same airport
[19:34] <B> go figure
[19:35] <bn880> yeah
[19:35] <bn880> odd
[19:35] <bn880> diluted fuel?

I would not put it past possibility. ***

I was thinking the exact same thing but apparently one of the planes crews radio&#39;ed in shortly before crashing about a hostage situation. Atleast thats what i am hearing here

[Pathy]

Then theres no question.....

...the strange thing is, usually the Chechens claim responsibility for thier acts of violence, i&#39;ve heard of nobody claiming it. ***

[bn880]

Yeah, well, it might be difficult to filter out rumors from facts and/or propaganda. Gotta love Russia.

[raedor]

They are saying the investigation is focusing on fouled aviation fuel and/or pilot error. Bad weather was reported in the area.

This could indeed be one of those really strange coincidences, though I still find it hard to believe.


EDIT: Though if both planes used the same fouled aviation tanker....that would not make it such a coincedence.

Fouled fuel could do that, but it would have to be pretty drastic fo the planes to explode in the air....

You never know, it&#39;s Russia after all.

I know, want to see my IRC log from yesterday? Well here it is anyway:

Quote[/b] ][19:32] <bn880> oh shit
[19:33] <bn880> 2 ussian civ planes may have crashed
[19:33] <A> oh shit?
[19:33] <bn880> *russian
[19:33] <A> doh
[19:33] <bn880> 44 and 42 people
[19:33] <bn880> ...
[19:33] <bn880> not as bad as 240 and 250
[19:34] <bn880> well that sucks, but what can you do, still safer than cars
[19:34] <B> yeah, one definitely crashed,
[19:34] <B> the other disappeared from radar 3 minutes later
[19:34] <B> in different parts of the country
[19:34] <B> but they both left the same airport
[19:34] <B> go figure
[19:35] <bn880> yeah
[19:35] <bn880> odd
[19:35] <bn880> diluted fuel?

I would not put it past possibility.

I was thinking the exact same thing but apparently one of the planes crews radio&#39;ed in shortly before crashing about a hostage situation. Atleast thats what i am hearing here

yes, they did radio a hostage situation. the airline sibir (the airline of the 2nd machine (tupolew-154) which crashed near rostow) reported that on their homepage. but that only means that there was a "dangerous situation", it&#39;s not 100% a kidnapping.

info from ard.de

[raedor]

Then theres no question.....

...the strange thing is, usually the Chechens claim responsibility for thier acts of violence, i&#39;ve heard of nobody claiming it.

a spokesman of the chechen rebels around Aslan Baschadow that they are not responsible for these crashes.

[theavonlady]

...the strange thing is, usually the Chechens claim responsibility for thier acts of violence, i&#39;ve heard of nobody claiming it. ***

On the contrary&#33; They denied it. Check the major news articles. Somewhere it&#39;s mentioned.

edit: just ask Raedor&#33;

[Akira]

A hostage situation was not voice radioed but apparently by transponder, which can easily be explained by a variety of circumstances (possibly trying to switch to the emergency frequency).

An "exploding" airliner can easily be explained. The main source of that information is witnesses who are notoriously unreliable. The "explosion" could have easily been teh plane breaking up due to overstress (especially if diluted fuel, killed the engines and power, and the pilot was trying to over-correct, or if there was bad weather, as has been reported).

[bn880]

Doubt that overstress theory.

[Badgerboy]

A hostage situation was not voice radioed but apparently by transponder, which can easily be explained by a variety of circumstances (possibly trying to switch to the emergency frequency).

An "exploding" airliner can easily be explained. The main source of that information is witnesses who are notoriously unreliable. The "explosion" could have easily been teh plane breaking up due to overstress (especially if diluted fuel, killed the engines and power, and the pilot was trying to over-correct, or if there was bad weather, as has been reported).

Good point about the transponder code.

7500 is the hijack code, while 7600 for example is for loss of comms, and 7700 is for an emergency.

Only takes a couple of digits to get it wrong.