The things they do in the name of religion

[Acecombat]

As i said if a selected group of people want to be morons then please poke all your fun at them and dont play 'Generalizer' here with us.

[vektorboson]

you are mixing up church and belief here. There are indeed certain aspects that cannot be proven nowadays.

That's correct, but in contrary to belief and religion science progresses. Science has always to be critical to itself. Theories have to be disproved and are being disproved, with replacing them with better theories which match the "measured reality" better than the old ones.
Religions instead have to be dogmatic, because they just have to be dogmatic, otherwise people loose their faith. And upside down, they don't have to be dogmatic, because any disproven fact stated by a religion, disproves a religion partially, what makes people loose their faith, again.
This is the major problem of religions. They have to flee to regions, where science is not capable in explaining why some things are, as they are. And science moves this border further and further, leaving less space for religion.
Of course there always will be stuff which can't be explained scientifically. We don't know whether science will be able to explain those things, that are not (yet?) measurable, as your stated "senses".

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Why do humans have the sense of "me"?
Why do humans have the feeling called "sympathy"
How come humans have a sense of "justice"
How come humans have a sense of creativity, of beauty?

There are many facets about humans that science if far from being able to proof. And the big bang theory is logical indeed, but what was before the big bang? Where does the universe come from.

The problem about the "before" the Big Bang is basically already solved in the Realtivitiy Theory. Einstein stated that there is no absolute time, but everything is relative instead. Every matter, every particle has its own time.
"Before" there was no matter, there was no time. The Big Bang "created" matter and thus "created" time. This sounds much like there was a Creator (you can ask, what was before the Creator?), but it is only a logical conclusion, if the Relativity Theory is "correct". We don't know exactly.
And of course it doesn't answer why the universe happened. You have at least two options here: There was a creator, or "if it didn't happened, we weren't able to ask this question". Both are not satisfactory for rationalists.

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And you will see one day that even genetics cant proof certain facts about us humanbeings, the more it advances the more it finds irregularities.

Genetics can't prove the "facts" because the facts are theories, and science has to disprove old theories, to find new better ones. I actually think that finding irregularities is something good, because it shows us, that there is more to discover. We are not at a Dead Point.

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Not that I want to say science is on the way to proof itself wrong. But there will always be the x factor that cannot be proven.

Science has to prove itself wrong, so we get a better science, and the x factor has always to moved further. Life would be terrible and senseless if there wasn't a X Factor ***

[Ex-RoNiN]

Its funny how people try putting down religion vehemently, using science as a reason.

Science really is just a new type of religion - mathematics and physical observations say so, hence it must be so. It is taken as the absolute Right. Just like it was done with any of the major religions in the past millennia or so.

Just as crazy as thinking of the old man with the white beard

So 'll just lean back and enjoy this paradox and watch out for naughty comments

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX]

you are mixing up church and belief here. There are indeed certain aspects that cannot be proven nowadays.

Why do humans have the sense of "me"?
Why do humans have the feeling called "sympathy"
How come humans have a sense of "justice"
How come humans have a sense of creativity, of beauty?

There are many facets about humans that science if far from being able to proof. And the big bang theory is logical indeed, but what was before the big bang? Where does the universe come from.

Someone who is purely an atheist just because religion doesnt match science is heartless to me. And you will see one day that even genetics cant proof certain facts about us humanbeings, the more it advances the more it finds irregularities. Not that I want to say science is on the way to proof itself wrong. But there will always be the x factor that cannot be proven.

...because we evolved the capacity to understand our own situation, uniquely (probably) amongst all animals since we as a species had selective pressure to evolve larger brains.

Please do some studying before asking questions such as these which can, actually, be proven.

Regardless of what happened before the big bang, the FACT remains that a god had nothing to do with any of it.

[Ex-RoNiN]

Regardless of what happened before the big bang, the FACT remains that a god had nothing to do with any of it.

Please show me the proof

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX]

Its funny how people try putting down religion vehemently, using science as a reason.

Science really is just a new type of religion - mathematics and physical observations say so, hence it must be so. It is taken as the absolute Right. Just like it was done with any of the major religions in the past millennia or so.

Just as crazy as thinking of the old man with the white beard

So 'll just lean back and enjoy this paradox and watch out for naughty comments

Don't talk nonsense.

Science is the complete opposite of religion.

Go to school.

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX]

Regardless of what happened before the big bang, the FACT remains that a god had nothing to do with any of it.

Please show me the proof

Please show me any reason to think that a supernatural god like entity exists.

Without that, there is no reason to think that one does.

The ones claiming a ridiculous, impossible idea are the ones who have to prove it, not the ones who do not believe it:
for example, if I claim I have the loch ness monster in my garden, anyone who is not an idiot will not believe me without some sort of proof. It is not up to those who do not believe me to prove I do not.

This is basic.

You should have learned this in school.

[Ex-RoNiN]

Its funny how people try putting down religion vehemently, using science as a reason.

Science really is just a new type of religion - mathematics and physical observations say so, hence it must be so. It is taken as the absolute Right. Just like it was done with any of the major religions in the past millennia or so.

Just as crazy as thinking of the old man with the white beard

So 'll just lean back and enjoy this paradox and watch out for naughty comments

Don't talk nonsense.

Science is the complete opposite of religion.

Go to school.

Learn some manners or your account may be in danger. Your arrogant and patronising tone has been noticed. There is no need for something like this in a civilised discussion. I particulary refer to your remarks about "Go to school". This is not needed. Now to your points.

Show to me how science can be the complete opposite, if the conclusions from science are taken as the ultimate truth, just like other people take their respective holy scriptures as the ultimate truth? Notice that we are talking about the conclusions and basic points here, not about research methods.

Quote[/b] ]Please show me any reason to think that a supernatural god like entity exists.

Without that, there is no reason to think that one does.

It can not be proven that it exists, hence it doesn't exist.

This it terrible science.

*bites off remark about learning stuff in school*

[Albert Schweitzer]

Quote[/b] ]Please show me any reason to think that a supernatural god like entity exists

Lets discuss this in a nice manner cause it is very interesting and every opinion here has a logic.

That is exactly it. Belief is that you trust in something that you should not trust, because it has never been seen, felt, nor proven. That is why the term "belief" is so appropriate.

Why should I believe in something that doesnt even show itself? It would be so easy for a god to turn all humans into christians...just create a nice catastrophy and give some clear signals from the sky. And everyone would fear god's power. But instead he lets the humans kill the only the diplomat he sent to earth.
That is called freedom.

You have the right to believe or not, if there would be indicators of a god you would no longer be free to chose for yourself. You would not belief, you would know, where is the freedom then to choose?
You can believe or not and your life wont change. Prayers wont change anything, crimes wont change anything. Your life just moves on. But when you belief then you do it even though their is no proof, that is what we nowadays think god wants, confidence and trust! If you would belief and know there is a god, then you would pray because you expect a return. You would see a visit to church like paying for an upcoming bill.
But no, I go to church (rarely) because I belief and dont do it because I have hidden intentions (so I will end up in heaven instead of hell). I dont do to get a profit out of it. I do it to thank someone for all I have. I am sure we will never have a proof of god. You say "because there is no god" and I say "because god will continue giving us the choice to belief or to know that there isnt". Confuses you? ***

[m21man]

Quote[/b] ]It can not be proven that it exists, hence it doesn't exist.
This it terrible science.

Well, it's better than "It cannot be proven it exists, so it must exist."

Quote[/b] ]Show to me how science can be the complete opposite, if the conclusions from science are taken as the ultimate truth, just like other people take their respective holy scriptures as the ultimate truth?

Science is verifiable, you should be able to do an experiment again and again with (nearly) the same result every time. Also, scientists will change their ideas when if a new experiment comes along and invalidates an old theory. There are no "Science Fundamentalists" who still insist that the Earth is flat and in the center of the Universe. Religious beliefs cannot be proven, there has never been an experiment which verified the existence of a god.

Quote[/b] ]Science really is just a new type of religion

Oh Denoir, where art thou?