War games for pacifists?

[pzvg]

Forgive me if I sound crass or obtuse, but why in the world would someone who objects to war play a wargame?

It's more than a tad hypocritical, and makes for strange codes of morality.

I don't know how you can compare "killing off" a few pixels with killing real people. I don't see any moral problem there. A war game is just as the name implies, a game.

Also there are few total pacifists in the world. Not liking this current war does not necessarily mean excluding all forms of armed response to other situations as a solution.

[PFC Mongoose]

Well, it's kind of tricky, and it depends on the person.

For example, I always get insenced when I hear about violent video games causing things like school shootings and such.

When I was in high school, I liked to think coming home and fragging terrorists and bombing outposts and occupied cities is what kept me from hauling off and decking people who pissed me off, and such.

More on subject, I generally think of killing - and in a grander (as in larger, not better ) sense, war - as a last resort, I love playing OpFlash; the bigger the battle, the better.
However, if I were to join the military, and were in a fighting unit (highly unlikely, the latter, not the former), I would be LOATHE to open up on people, and I'm sure seeing death and carnage up close would @#$% me up really bad.

[CosmicCastaway]

How does playing a game involving the killing of fictional characters in fictional roles equate in any way to killing a real person? Killing someone is a hell of a thing, you take away all they have and everything they are ever going to have. Shoot a 'virtual' representation of someone, all you lose is your own time. If you find it hypocritical that someone can enjoy playing a game that depicts war, yet be against the actual real-life act, I'm sorely dissapointed.

I even know quite a few vegetarians that play those crappy dear-hunter games, bloody hypocritical bastards.

[STS_SolidSnake]

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Also there are few total pacifists in the world. Not liking this current war does not necessarily mean excluding all forms of armed response to other situations as a solution.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If its just killing a few pixels then why cant you play like you said in the thread about coc

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Because it does have a connotation to the real thing. When you see dead and mutilated people on TV your lust for playing war decreases (well, at least mine does).

This doesn&#39;t have to be the general case however. I actually played the OFP Demo for the first time on a laptop in Kosovo.

[DarkLight]

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Also there are few total pacifists in the world. Not liking this current war does not necessarily mean excluding all forms of armed response to other situations as a solution.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Listen to what he says, also, a game will never be able to show the real horrors of war and if you die in a game, you can press the reset button...

[Hellfish6]

I agree with these sentiments. I am opposed to war in Iraq, but I&#39;m not a pacifist. I think force and violence are very potent tools, but only when used properly. And it&#39;s very easy for me to separate OFP from reality. If only I could have run as well in the Army as I can in OFP...

[DracoPaladore]

Umm...maybe because its fake?

Thats my only real reason. Why yes, killing a human is wrong. But what I&#39;m killing are small pixels that are barely even close to humans.

[Maraudeur]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 01 2003,21:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don&#39;t know how you can compare "killing off" a few pixels with killing real people. I don&#39;t see any moral problem there. A war game is just as the name implies, a game.

Also there are few total pacifists in the world. Not liking this current war does not necessarily mean excluding all forms of armed response to other situations as a solution.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Precisely, I can see where is, for some, not the comparison, but the mix.

It is just a game, but gaming is exporting ourself in an own created virtual world, sphere of contacts and feelings.
Look at children.
And adults...mostly have a virtual life &#33; Do I mean they lack a true one ? YES &#33;

That&#39;s everyday seen by :
-" Oh, I really put my child in the micro wave oven to dry it, did I ?? "
-" Oh, do you mean I became a murderer, just by driving my car ?? "
-*On a sofa * " I can&#39;t sleep, life downtown is everyday more expensive, It&#39;ll be better if I work harder to earn more money, and go at rest whre true life is, at countryside, you know doctor Freud "
- *later* " If I win the big lotery, i&#39;ll buy this, and this, and that sexy xxx, and that...."

And finally : " What sort of life did that stranger had ? Mechanic ? He suffered what he his, what happens to the pixels I kill, that&#39;s destiny &#33; I&#39;m not guilty &#33; I&#39;m pacifist and ecologist deep inside me, don&#39;t throw me in a jail, IT&#39;S NOT ME &#33; It&#39;s THE SYSTEM &#33; "

LOL.

* Finally I ask to myself... is it really a murder ?? *