The sniper saga

[Ex-RoNiN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Oct. 10 2002,23:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 10 2002,20:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Oct. 10 2002,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Highly doubtful, and ridiculous.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Whatever, doubtful I understand... ridiculous is your trust of authorities&#33;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Paranoid, you are. Why would the police do this "just to make a good case"? What you say is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Everyone stop making personal insults now, or I will have to slap your wrists with a 48 h pr

[bn880]

Well, no personal insults is a good idea...

The reason for planting evidence may be: to make the man appear un-human, un-american, completely insane, out of this world, with no motive other than insanity.

I already talked about this in the last thread: "don&#39;t make the public think about anything important"

I have no respect for anyone who covers up the motives of killers or terrorists. All motives for violence agains the public should be made public. This = publishing messages from terrorists publically, such as a Tarot card. Don&#39;t you at least want to know the truth behind violence aimed at you for yourself?

About personal insults in topics: when you start making personal insults, the topic at hand is not being discussed... progress is lost, but can be gained back. (I am also guilty of participating in personal insults when provoked)

[E6Hotel]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 11 2002,01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The reason for planting evidence may be: to make the man appear un-human, un-american, completely insane, out of this world, with no motive other than insanity.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Y&#39;know, his actions make this case very convincingly. I don&#39;t think the police need to worry about fabricating evidence so that he&#39;ll be seen as crazy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 11 2002,01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have no respect for anyone who covers up the motives of killers or terrorists. ***All motives for violence agains the public should be made public. ***This = publishing messages from terrorists publically, such as a Tarot card. ***Don&#39;t you at least want to know the truth behind violence aimed at you for yourself?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Why? Who cares about what this loser thinks, or what justification he gives? Does he really deserve to have his pathetic reasons made public? The ONLY value his words have is as clues toward his arrest, or (hopefully) his imminent death.

Semper Fi

[bn880]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Oct. 10 2002,21:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Y&#39;know, his actions make this case very convincingly. I don&#39;t think the police need to worry about fabricating evidence so that he&#39;ll be seen as crazy.

Why? Who cares about what this loser thinks, or what justification he gives? Does he really deserve to have his pathetic reasons made public? The ONLY value his words have is as clues toward his arrest, or (hopefully) his imminent death.

Semper Fi[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I know his actions are convincing hopefully you are right that the evidence is not planted, very strange how we found out about it.

Well, I care exactly what he thinks and why. Without understanding how will you prevent people from killing like that in the future? Same goes for WTC.


You want the man to die? Would be better to understand him than just kill him. The female mass murderer that was executed this week, we found out she hated humans all her life, that&#39;s why she did it(externally, we don&#39;t really understand why she was like that other than maybe abusive childhood).

And it&#39;s not about what he deserves, it&#39;s about everyone else.

[RalphWiggum]

well, it was matter of time before this article is on.

[Col. Kurtz]

The most disturbing thing about the link that Ralph Wiggum posted is that much of what it says is true. Many people do hold snipers in owe, there ability to kill from so far away. Play online FPS and see how many people liked to snipe. I have played on some servers for SOF2 where more than half the people were sniping. We sit back in awe at the talent of a sniper, their uncanny accuracy.
On a side note, SF snipers tend to be given the code-name &#39;god&#39;. As crazy as it sounds, maybe what SamSamson siad is true, he wants to be Special Forces(Just a crazy Idea that came into my head)

[E6Hotel]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 11 2002,04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You want the man to die? ***Would be better to understand him than just kill him. ***The female mass murderer that was executed this week, we found out she hated humans all her life, that&#39;s why she did it(externally, we don&#39;t really understand why she was like that other than maybe abusive childhood).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
What&#39;s to understand? "Don&#39;t abuse your kids?" Well, no kidding. So we found out that she hated people -- hardly an unexpected revelation. I&#39;d be willing to bet that this guy doesn&#39;t like people, either. To be frank, the only "understanding" this clown could provide that would interest me would come from his autopsy results.

I should also clarify that I don&#39;t believe he&#39;s "insane" in the medical sense. I think he just likes to kill people because it makes him feel adequate for a little while.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 11 2002,04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And it&#39;s not about what he deserves, it&#39;s about everyone else.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly. As for publishing the note, "I am God" really doesn&#39;t explain his actions, or enable the public to defend themselves in any way. There is a difference between establishing a motive and giving away details of the case that should be known only to the police.

Semper Fi

[IceFire]

I found that article VERY disturbing.

Why in the world would a civilian need to know how to snipe??

Civilians should not be taught unless they are prior police/military.

There is just no reason for civilians to know how to pick off people at 1000 yards away.

Like Col. Kurts said, it&#39;s true. Everyone loves the sniper. Everyone wants to be Carlos Hathcock.

So you have nuts who think that they are real cowboy hotshots trying to make a name for themselves. Much like our psychopathic friend who is busy now in the Maryland/DC area.

[IceFire]

I do not beleive the problems lies in guns.

The problem lies in obsessed people who idolize soldiers in the military.

You have millions of people who want to be like Navy SEALs or Marine Snipers.

The military has been glorified. This is why I think that military information and knowledge should not be available to the public. Not stuff on Spec Ops, or anything.

Because you will always have the obsessed people who want to try to be cool and emulate them.

[E6Hotel]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Oct. 11 2002,05:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I found that article VERY disturbing.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Much of that article should be taken with a grain of salt.

Example #1:

-- "The careful application of terror is another form of communication."
-- "The only thing I feel when I kill is the recoil from my rifle."
-- "Don&#39;t try to run. You&#39;ll only die tired."

Yes, these are all very chilling...

disturbing...

terrifying...



t-shirts. Holy Jeebus, this silly stuff is in every military surplus store I&#39;ve ever seen (where "boots" go to buy their combat knives and other non-essential but "cool" gear <rollseyes>).

Example #2:

"Tarley says shooters who become obsessed with sniping are attracted to the sport&#39;s demands."

Err, when the hell did sniping become a sport? Makes me wonder if the writer has confused sniping with hobbyists who enjoy harmless precision shooting.

Semper Fi