Montasanto GM Maize and roundup causes massive tumours and early death.

[Darkhorse 1-6]

The opinion of the people who know more of the subject than you or me is that the study is, essentially, shit. Many, it seems, are surprised it was even accepted for publication. It was not done to the standards that are normally applied to such things, and it's being applied to all genes in an attempt to to cause panic or damage.

Prof Mark Tester, Research Professor, Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics, University of Adelaide, said:

"The first thing that leaps to my mind is why has nothing emerged from epidemiological studies in the countries where so much GM has been in the food chain for so long? If the effects are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren’t the North Americans dropping like flies?! GM has been in the food chain for over a decade over there – and longevity continues to increase inexorably!

"And if the effects are as big as claimed, why have none of the previous 100+ plus studies by reputable scientists, in refereed journals, noticed anything at all?

"Finally, of course, this was a study of one event with one gene. To then extrapolate to all genetically modified crops is absurd. Even if it eventuates that there is an issue with this one event, or even this one gene, there is no reason at all for other genes introduced using GM to carry the same burden of risk. GM is an adaptation of a natural process that occurs all the time all over the planet – it is “only” a technology, a technique. It is how it is used that is more important. Generalisations about the risk of the technology per se are absurd."

Further comments from other scientists:

"Other issues that have come up:

• ‘All data cannot be shown in one report and the most relevant are described here’ – this is a quote from the paper.
• Small sample size
• Maize was minimum 11% of the diet – not balanced
• No non-maize control?
• No results given for non-gm maize
• For nearly 20 years, billions of animals in the EU have been fed soy products produced from genetically modified soybean, mainly from Latin America. No problems have been reported by the hundreds of thousands of farmers, officials, vets and so on.
• The same journal publishes a paper showing no adverse health effects in rats of consuming gm maize (though this is a shorter 90-day study)
• Statistical significance vs relative frequencies.
• We also have to ask why the rats were kept alive for so long – for humane reasons this study would not have been given approval in the UK.
• In Fig.2, I assume the bars with a zero is for the non-maize control. Those bars don’t looks significantly different from the bars indicating 11, 22, and 33% of GM maize in the diet? Have the authors done stats on their data?"

[Thromp]

Prof Mark Tester, Research Professor, Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics, University of Adelaide, said:

Hardly independent , which is whats required i think in this topic.
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/mark.tester

His commercial acumen is clear from his establishment of private companies and successful interactions with multinational companies such as Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer and Pioneer-DuPont. He is a Director of Australia’s largest wheat breeding company, Australian Grains Technologies.

why do i Highlight Bayer ?
well just to add its not just one company breeding herbicide resistant corn ,soy etc .
http://www.ehow.com/list_6617582_sid...ed-killer.html
Finale Like Roundup is another Very common herbicide used in the Horticultural trade.

If the effects are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren’t the North Americans dropping like flies?!

Not Just Americans but gobaly Cancer is increasing, who knows whats causing it ?

or to quote somebody from the url below which is rather apt i think :

Sure, detection and treatment have improved BUT, what about the causes?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...nt-decade.html

[T.S.C.Plage]

I'd guess according to you this study is also shit, am I right Darkhorse?

http://www.naturalnews.com/035135_Ro...#ixzz1oBbzRyxt

[Hellfire257]

Not Just Americans but gobaly Cancer is increasing, who knows whats causing it ?

Easy. Population increase coupled with people assuming a less healthy diet/life.

[Spooky Lynx]

The opposition to GM products is a 1st world fad, where people can afford having such opinions. The larger part of the world, however, cannot afford such a stance in the face of persistent problems with feeding their people. This is especially true for large parts of africa, as well as the poor people in many other countries that can hardly afford expensive imported-grain based products.

Not breeding out of hand like rabbits isn't an option? Only constant growing of population no matter of food and water shortage?

[vilas]

Not Just Americans but gobaly Cancer is increasing, who knows whats causing it ?

not only cancer, but allergy too , more and more people have allergy, doctors say that soon more children will be born with allergy than children without it ,

[walker]

Hi all

In reply to Darkhorse 1-6:

I reiterate my stance that Opinion is not Science or experiment no matter who holds the opinion.

The original study http://research.sustainablefoodtrust...inal-Paper.pdf that was published in the peer reviewed and respected Food & Chemical Toxicology Journal is the only Full Life Study on the matter of the long term effects of of Roundup and the GM Maize modified to tolerate it in the ever increasing doses it now requires in order to work.

The fact that Monsanto could not even be bothered to carry out such a Full Life Study is totaly and utterly down to Monsanto's own failings. The false argument that a study based on a wild rats average life span is the same as a Full Life study is a falacious one. One might as well then take the average life expectancy of a third world person as enough for any human study in the first world, even the concept applied to wild rats automaticaly cuts out HALF the population studied as it chops the population at the top of the bell curve on life expectancy so all the more long lived rats get ignored.

The fact that two of the leading persons you quote have such dubious credentials as indepedent reduces the validity of their opinions any way. That is why opion is just opinion and is not science.

Until more detailed science can be done, the precautionary principle must apply and this GM Maize, its products and Roundup should be banned.

Kind Regards walker

[STALKERGB]

If Gilles-Eric Seralini is so confident in his results, why won't he let the European Food Safety Authority verify them? I know he claims they will be biased but if his results are so compelling and accurate then surely they won't be able to "massage" them or whatever he thinks?

EDIT: Speaking of bias, surely Seralini and de Vendomois are a bit suspect given their history of anti-GM work, not that it makes them wrong but it can't help in an experiment that needs to be completely fair.

have such dubious credentials

Isn't the co-author of the study, de Vendomois' degree in homoeopathy?

[Hellfire257]

I reiterate my stance that Opinion is not Science or experiment no matter who holds the opinion.

That's correct. It is a scientific opinion. The opinion of someone well rehearsed in the field naturally holds more weight than that or say mine our yourself. It is a credible opinion.

[walker]

Hi all

An Opinion is not and never can be a scientific experiment, it remains what it always is opinion, no matter what other words or voodoo you attach to it; it remains opinion.

The only valid science on the subject of a Full Life Study of the long term effects of Roundup and the GM Maize modified to tolerate Roundup in the ever increasing doses it now requires in order for Roundup to work is the one published in the peer reviewed and respected Food & Chemical Toxicology Journal which you can get here: http://research.sustainablefoodtrust...inal-Paper.pdf and then read.

If any of you know of any other, Full Life Study of the long term effects of Roundup and the GM Maize modified to tolerate Roundup, in the ever increasing doses it now requires in order for Roundup to work; that has been published in the peer reviewed and respected publication, then pray enlighten us.

Everything else is just opinion, no matter what shrunken heads on sticks you shake at it.

Kind Regards walker