By the way, I'm half Sioux. That side of my family would lay claim to discovering North American thousands of years before the Europeans on a fraction of the cost.
There is always someone like you that loves spending other peoples' money on discovering something that is not that important. It really doesn't make any logical sense to borrow money from China to fund such a trip that then devalues personal savings and creates inflation, the increase in prices for goods and services. Wouldn't it have been better served taking care of those that most directly needed it because of the bad economy?
Or perhaps US has differ way... Oil young chap? Naaa
Ummmm I thought it was $2.6 billion?
That's $2.6 billion over the course of nearly 8 years. That's about $325 million a year. The amount of money spent on Curiosity's development, flight, and two year mission is the amount of money that the US Department of Defense spends every 36 hours.
There are lots of journalists asking "is it worth it?". That's because they don't understand the science or the engineering or it's importance and find it boring. Space science has thousands of spin offs that benefit everyone, every day.
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@Hans, well yeah technically you can say a lot of things humans do are completely pointless, but then thinking like that never gets us anywhere. Although MSL's Curiosity will be an incredibly useful scientific resource the fact that as a race, we have proven we are capable of doing such a thing successfully is an achievement in of itself.
Just because a scientific project wasn't privately funded and you don't think it was worth the time and money doesn't mean it wasn't worth it. A lot of scientific discoveries have come off the back of funding from a government.
With such narrowminded view, your country wouldn't even been discovered.I assume we are talking about the discovery of the Americas? In which case Columbus was employed by the Spanish Monarchy, in fact before getting Spanish support didn't he go to the Portuguese Monarchy to try to get their backing? The East India Company had nothing to do with it though.The East India Company wasn't funded through taxes, but rather selling of stock. In other words, they were able to do what they did because of capital. If you need any lessons on US history, feel free to PM.
The Telegraph put the price of the rover itself at only $1.6Bn, and MSL's total project costs at around $2.5Bn (which includes the rover)Ummmm I thought it was $2.6 billion?
EDIT: The colour photos from the surface look really good!
science was/is/will be the future of manking. I'm proud to be an human, when I see a such a feat. money is never wasted for science, but it is wasted to pay footballers and other athletes.
Lol at the East India Company discovering the Americas, it was founded over a century after to trade exclusively on a different continent........the clue is in the name.
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The fact that we debate "only" within the billion range is funny based on what a 1-2 billion injection could do elsewhere for sure on the planet we reside on right now & try to live.The Telegraph put the price of the rover itself at only $1.6Bn, and MSL's total project costs at around $2.5Bn (which includes the rover)
Although I am impressed on what they have achieved from a technical standpoint to slingshot that size machinery that far and get it to land on a pretty much untested entry (well untested until its actually happening). Interesting to check out more of the hi res images.
But the other side of me is on the lines of Hans view in terms of sticking a highly expensive bit of kit on a barren planet we dont live on taking pictures of it looking as such and science getting its jolly's off on the data. Interesting, I have a conflicting view on it from both ends, cant disagree on the technical and science aspect, but then not so impressed on the grand scheme of human life, the here and now and the way things are in the here and right now, no matter the data and snapshots.
I guess anything further derails the point of the thread (heading into USA politics territory) for the achievement and the subject, but, well .... 2 billion ..... barren planet and science benefits .... life on earth now and current economic situation ..... hmmmmm, not sure.
Although congrats to the team for the achievement ... I think this is what's known as a happy sand switch post.
NASA Launches New Technology Transfer Portal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies"A priority of NASA is to get federally-funded new technologies into the commercial marketplace," said NASA Chief Technologist Mason Peck. "We're hopeful that entrepreneurs, businesses of all sizes and anyone looking for innovative solutions to technology problems will explore NASA's Technology Transfer Portal to find opportunities to transfer NASA technologies into innovative solutions for the nation."
You could of course simply dump the money for short term gain, then the people that benefited would return next year and ask for more, as they always do......
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