Steam discussion

[W0lle]

One more good reason not to use Steam. Reading this I'm really glad I dropped that thing for good.

[Tankbuster]

One more good reason not to use Steam. Reading this I'm really glad I dropped that thing for good.

You speak the truth. I'm surprised this thread has taken so long to appear. On the digital distribution vs dvd-in-a-box spectrum, Steam is so off the scale it's scary. I'd be sick if a library of software as big as the OPs went away like this.

[ProfTournesol]

Sadly sometimes you cannot avoid Steam (TW for example).

[GRS]

I absolutely hate steam. But the sale deals are too good to pass sometimes. Otherwise I would never use it. I buy a physical copy of any games that I REALLY like anyways.

As for not actually owning the software. I'm pretty sure the same applies to discs or any software at all, you just have authorization to use it. Doesn't mean you own it just because you have a physical object containing it.

[Tonci87]

@Mod Please rename thred to "new steam Eula" or smth. like that

[Sniperwolf572]

@Mod Please rename thred to "new steam Eula" or smth. like that

Good idea, I thought it was going to be one of the "DayZ is ruining ArmA" threads initially.

[MrBump]

I absolutely hate steam. But the sale deals are too good to pass sometimes. Otherwise I would never use it. I buy a physical copy of any games that I REALLY like anyways.

As for not actually owning the software. I'm pretty sure the same applies to discs or any software at all, you just have authorization to use it. Doesn't mean you own it just because you have a physical object containing it.

Yep, the exact same wording is in the ARMA EULAs, The Program is licensed not sold, etc. Frankly I don't see what's changed with the new Steam EULA? I don't care about class action lawsuits, not being American or a lawyer.

[Sniperwolf572]

Yep, the exact same wording is in the ARMA EULAs, The Program is licensed not sold, etc. Frankly I don't see what's changed with the new Steam EULA? I don't care about class action lawsuits, not being American or a lawyer.

It's as simple as people not understanding to what they agree to in all the EULA's they accept. Valve clarified that now, and some people are whining about it, even tho for years it was a known fact. Like you, I don't care about the "you can't do class action lawsuits". Valve's given reasoning for it being good or bad, I've no clue.

The OP bought a game that he couldn't play, he accidentally left Uplay or something like that open, which signaled to Steam that the game was running in some way. OP chargebacked and was confronted for it.
Why is OP not blaming Ubi for making such a stupid launcher? Asking for a refund from them? I'm sure a grocery store wouldn't accept your corn flakes back if you opened them and left them sitting around on the couch and the dog ate some of it. Sure, you didn't eat them.

There are great many things that you could genuinely complain about Steam and be 100% in right.
Fidgety offline mode? Inability to easily install your game on other drives? Unreasonable prices in my region because I'm in Europe and automatically assumed to be in the EU/€ zone? Tons of other things. There's also the he-said-she-said issues with Steam which I read on these forums daily, which couldn't be further from truth. And many people take that for granted, some of the posters to this thread aswell.

But one thing that makes Steam king, compared to all other solutions is the quality of service, competitive prices and support it offers. And that's one thing that the customers will always appreciate and come back for. Not many businesses understand that unfortunately.

Additionally, given OP's rage at the fact he couldn't get one game refunded, I highly doubt he'd give up on his entire library (estimated $5000 according to him) for long.

[Smurf]

Thank you for some much need sense in another "Steam hate" thread Sniperwolf.

[bloodtank]

It's as simple as people not understanding to what they agree to in all the EULA's they accept. Valve clarified that now, and some people are whining about it, even tho for years it was a known fact. Like you, I don't care about the "you can't do class action lawsuits". Valve's given reasoning for it being good or bad, I've no clue.

The OP bought a game that he couldn't play, he accidentally left Uplay or something like that open, which signaled to Steam that the game was running in some way. OP chargebacked and was confronted for it.
Why is OP not blaming Ubi for making such a stupid launcher? Asking for a refund from them? I'm sure a grocery store wouldn't accept your corn flakes back if you opened them and left them sitting around on the couch and the dog ate some of it. Sure, you didn't eat them.

There are great many things that you could genuinely complain about Steam and be 100% in right.
Fidgety offline mode? Inability to easily install your game on other drives? Unreasonable prices in my region because I'm in Europe and automatically assumed to be in the EU/€ zone? Tons of other things. There's also the he-said-she-said issues with Steam which I read on these forums daily, which couldn't be further from truth. And many people take that for granted, some of the posters to this thread aswell.

But one thing that makes Steam king, compared to all other solutions is the quality of service, competitive prices and support it offers. And that's one thing that the customers will always appreciate and come back for. Not many businesses understand that unfortunately.

Additionally, given OP's rage at the fact he couldn't get one game refunded, I highly doubt he'd give up on his entire library (estimated $5000 according to him) for long.

See, I don't understand people like you at all... You sit here and try to give away YOUR CONSUMER RIGHTS on
some sort of merit based issue that you don't even debate well?

First of all, I could open a box of corn flakes, and take it back to the store without even a whimper from the clerk.
2ndly that box of corn flakes has a guarantee from the MFR, they will take it back as well.

3rdly, it does not matter. You have consumer laws from your state or domain, and you have consumer laws
via your banking system, yes you have protection from using your credit card, against any purchase, read the pamphlet they give you..

If you pay for something and it does not work, or if you just don't want it.. sadly to say, here in my State, i have 30 days protection via my credit card policy. This trumps all policies, stated by the store. They accepted the credit card, they accepted the credit card terms from that system..... So, either way you want to debate it, Its not on me, its on the store See how it works now... Why would you want to give up your rights over something like this kinda irks me, I just don't understand why? Because of some reason you think I am cheating the system? I didn't end up with a 5000 reply posted thread because I was a gamer who wanted a refund 29 days after playing it... But you know what, I have the same rights and could have gotten it

Why do I not blame UBI? Because UBI did not handle the transaction. Steam does, thats where you get refunds when things don't work. I do blame UBI and I have banned UBI in my household and never looked back since... Hows that for bitterness?

I never charged anything back, I asked for a refund and got Steam Abuse Net.... With a bunch of messages on threats and action of them closing my account. So I went to the forums and kicked the shit out of Steams threats...

This is nonsense, if you want a refund for something, you use your consumer rights.. End of story, there's nothing morally conscious about it... If policies were 100% legal, there'd be no lawyers.

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Here's something more interesting... Since I quit Steam, I have about, oh 90 games installed on my drive from Steam....
I want to remove this stuff from my computer.. I go to UNINSTALL, and the UNINSTALL process launches Steam and asks me to login, but I can't login, because I disagree to the terms...

This is an interesting issue... The software can refuse to not deinstall because of agreement policy? Yes, I can somewhat trash the files, but what about my registry? I have to hand edit it and know what I'm looking for? Is this good idea for consumers?

Please comment... :d