HOME I don't get what any of this has to do with not accepting the new EULA? You lost your consumer rights long ago when you first joined Steam, the only thing you're losing now is hundreds of games??
I don't get what any of this has to do with not accepting the new EULA? You lost your consumer rights long ago when you first joined Steam, the only thing you're losing now is hundreds of games??
This is the problem in a nutshell.The situation has always been misleading.Why has there always been a different standard for media than a physical product?Why do you not own the particular copy you paid for?In the same way I own a guitar,for instance.As for not actually owning the software. I'm pretty sure the same applies to discs or any software at all, you just have authorization to use it. Doesn't mean you own it just because you have a physical object containing it.
It may have a recognisable brand and distinctive design.But I didn't buy the designs or the right to manufacture it.
I own that particular copy though.I will do as I please with it.I will sell it on if I so wish.I will not inform the manufacturer or the retailer that I'm about to do so.I did not rent it.I bought it.If someone attempts to prevent me from gaining access to it they're in for some trouble.Either legally,or if I can get my hands on them,from my boot.
This should be law.And it should apply to any product you buy.
In essence isn't Steam and anyone else selling licenses,in actual fact renting them?If you do not own the copy in your hand,or on your HD,then you are renting it.In practical terms this is the case.Fair enough.
Where there is no legislation to govern the matter,that should be stated clearly,in any and all advertising and price listings.
See the problem goes beyond the "nature" of the license. This is where principal steps in and we must make a stand. It's no longer renting the license.. This 3rd party service, things it can DICTATE your license and CONTROL your license, when in fact they did not WRITE or OWN the license.
So basically you are buying a license, but you are not, you are renting the license BOUGHT by Steam. Who not only can terminate that license, they use it as leverage against your entire library when needed. Steam owns your bookshelf... Simple as that.... And the more you own, the stronger they get when problems arise... Which is why its time to part ways. it's no longer a worthwhile trade off for convenience.
A lot of you EU guys don't really see the picture yet... See Steam is afraid of something here... You think you are unaffected, because you have the right to resell your license... That's where you are fooled. See, Steam don't care about that... You are still a Steam Subscriber, with a license with them... If they decide they don't like you selling the licenses.. Bloop you are banned... So what you say? just sue them. Well guess what, you already agreed to not be able to sue them via class action lawsuit... This means, you have to sue them yourself for access back to your library.. How much time and money are you personally going to spend to do this? See, IMO they are protecting themselves from a group of you ganging up on them, and forcing you into your own pockets, for when things change down the road and they get cocky. You already agreed to sue them on their home court. In their land. Are you going to fly there, pay a team a lawyers to fight why the suspended your account in small claims court? And fly back every time they delay... They will take gamble that all day long. Because the answer is you are not going to do anything except hate them.
I just feel we need open license system now with anything digital... Shouldnt matter if you buy your content license on itunes, amazon, Steam or GameFly, you should be able to use that license as fit... Steam wants to deny you the download later on, fine, if its a steam game, fine, but any license other than that.. should not be in control of a 3rd party...
Its time for a change.
Im kind of glad I wrote this.. I think I am stupid for not agreeing to the license. I think I will now log in and play game games, but I am 100% sure I am never buying another Steam game or any digital game again, that is not some sort of OPEN LICENSE system where I can use my software without the need of a 3rd party service.
There are two issues at play here, copyright (the buying of a license) and DRM. Now everyone knows that copyright has swung way too far in favour of rights holders, but this isn't just a Steam thing, this is the same for every software publisher. The courts are still working out what's what with copyright use and licenses, there have been a number of high profile cases involving Autocad and Blizzard, but the verdict is still up in the air. If you're making a stand against this then I suggest don't buy Arma 3, or most software today until it's figured out, or go with open source stuff. As for DRM, well there's always GoG, or just not using Steam in the first place.
The only reason people are whining now is because they actually read the EULA and realized that Valve is a business trying to make a profit, not God's gift to gamers.
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A context to the change: "Top EU court upholds right to resell downloaded software"
http://www.techspot.com/news/49263-e...d-as-used.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...aded-software/
but but but.... Steam has great sales!!!
Games on sale for $5 trump consumer rights and common sense.
I hope the Steam fans enjoy the bed they are making, it's only going to get better...
They have the right to resell Steam games, but not the ability, and Steam has made it clear they're not changing anything. I can't see the US ever passing such a consumer protective law either, unfortunately.Originally Posted by PvPscene
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bloodtank, the thing is, my point of view is different from yours because I'm from a place where different rules apply. Copyright does not have much of a meaning, DRM is something that delays games on TPB and paying for any game more than 5€ is a stupid waste of money, especially when you work as a web dev making less than minimal social services handouts are in the EU, etc... But that's a whole other story.
You see, about "us not seeing the picture yet". When I made my Steam account, I didn't buy the first game out of a delusion that I'll be able to resell it later. I didn't even think about refunding games, nor did I expect to. I took Steam for what it is, same as Origin and many other services that I use daily.
To me it was a service that provided the capability to forget about discs, backups, patching, going out to buy games and not finding them in stores. My first Steam game was ArmA2 because there was no way to get it here without going two or three countries over or ordering a physical disk online and waiting for our super slow postal service. I got it, downloaded it in a few hours and enjoyed what I bought. It was even at an unexpected 20% discount at the time. I never had a single problem with it besides the fact that BI doesn't care to coordinate the patches with it. But I'm in no rush.
While what's going on in the EU is really nice and I hope one day we actually are able to sell our licenses, it does not affect me in any way, I don't live there but people still assume I do because somehow Europe started to equal EU in a lot of minds. Steam is the same thing to me now as it was back then, even with a few additions to the EULA. I'd rather we see some decent competition to Steam or punch some people who set prices on region-based digital distributions the way they do. But then again, I've no hopes placed in people who make money to suddenly want to make less money, in sane pricing or resellable licenses. It's not how the world works.
As I called you out earlier when you said that you will not abandon your Steam library, I'm also calling you out this time for not buying anymore from Steam.
If you were someone with none or very few games there, I might believe you. But the way publishers and devs are embracing Steam and the fact you've got 500 games there.
Yeah, fat chance there buddy when another great deal rolls in or a hyped up game that you really, really want comes about as Steam-only.
Off to work with me.
The only thing that keeps Steam on my PC is Half-Life 2 and Episodes that need it to run.
If the officer can't prevent the booze then he must lead it.(c)
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