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Thread: Ouya! Time for game Developers like BIS to move to an open platform?

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    Let's try it the other way around since this seems to be too complicated for you.

    What Hardware and OS would you suggest to fulfill the following tasks:

    - stream video files from a NAS
    - stream audio files from a NAS
    - stream webradio
    - play YT movies
    - HDMI output
    - Bluetooth/WiFi
    - play popular casual games
    - play DVD/BluRay (either built-in drive or attach via USB)

    You can achieve this cheaper with ARM/Android combination than with any x86/x64/Win/Linux combination.

    What is the definition of "optically" in the context of this device - the casing isn't up-to scratch with the design of your 60" TV?
    It's 50" and Zotac has some nice looking HTPC's in their portfolio. This would also be the competing product class, btw. And there, a ARM/Android device would have good chance to take the lead due to it's lower price and the available apps, nothing Win nor Linux could compete with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [FRL]Myke View Post
    Let's try it the other way around since this seems to be too complicated for you.

    What Hardware and OS would you suggest to fulfill the following tasks:

    - stream video files from a NAS
    - stream audio files from a NAS
    - stream webradio
    - play YT movies
    - HDMI output
    - Bluetooth/WiFi
    - play popular casual games
    - play DVD/BluRay (either built-in drive or attach via USB)

    You can achieve this cheaper with ARM/Android combination than with any x86/x64/Win/Linux combination.
    Sorry, m8 - not an expert on half-assed solutions, which is a single USB port Android ARM dongle. Get a PS3.

    It's 50" and Zotac has some nice looking HTPC's in their portfolio. This would also be the competing product class, btw. And there, a ARM/Android device would have good chance to take the lead due to it's lower price and the available apps, nothing Win nor Linux could compete with.
    I'd like to see you run 1080p MKVs on this ultimate multimedia box, when you hook up all the periphery via Bluetooth and then clog up the CPU with WiFi streaming.

    Like I said, this dongle is a peasant's dream for a PC, not a multimedia solution.

    ---------- Post added at 09:38 ---------- Previous post was at 09:33 ----------

    P.S. Intel's Haswell architecture CPUs are coming in 2013 - up-to 3x iGPU performance over Ivy Bridge's HD4000 - HTPC under $299. Winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iroquois Pliskin
    I'd like to see you run 1080p MKVs on this ultimate multimedia box, when you hook up all the periphery via Bluetooth and then clog up the CPU with WiFi streaming.
    Interesting. My m8 bought very little "multimedia center" device (with ARM most probably) and it handled 1080p MKV stream from USB flawlessly. We stressed it with 1080p Planet Earth series (sh*tload of details) with almost no problems (except the view on thousands of flying birds). It handled it better than CoreAVC codec on Core2Duo.

    And by the way, since when WiFi clogs up CPU?

    EDIT: So the device I talked about (WD TV Live) has some Sigma processor. Go be Intel employee somewhere else.

    Your arguments are based solely on buzz.
    Last edited by batto; Aug 15 2012 at 11:09.

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    Get a PS3.
    Epic fail, man. Maybe read posts fully before answering. You know, not interested in playing PS3 games but here and there a casual android game. But i forgot, Android games run great on PS3. Also compare cost of PS3 with a possible Android/ARM HTPC.

    I'd like to see you run 1080p MKVs on this ultimate multimedia box
    Hmm...1080p MKV's just run fine on my Android tablet, hooked up to my FullHD screen, even with my bluetooth keyboard hooked up on it. Yeah, should get a decent remote but for now the keyboard does the job. And as you might guess, the MKV is streamed over WiFi.
    But it's a tablet, so i would prefer something that fits optically better to my HiFi set...or keep it completely invisible. Something stationary, ya know. Maybe from time to time play a round of angra birds, nothing fancy. Oh, and not too expensive of course. Do you know what could fit there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iroquois Pliskin View Post
    Sorry, m8 - not an expert on half-assed solutions, which is a single USB port Android ARM dongle. Get a PS3.
    My PS3 doesn't handle all the codecs of my movie and music collection. My HTPC does, with XBMC that is.

    If a cheap Android dongle (or OUYA for that matter) with enough grunt is able to run XBMC with 1080p60 hardware acceleration on almost all codecs (even VP8), why would it be a half-assed solution? So far, my PS3 is a half-assed solution - it does not do "everything".
    Quote Originally Posted by Iroquois Pliskin View Post
    I'd like to see you run 1080p MKVs on this ultimate multimedia box, when you hook up all the periphery via Bluetooth and then clog up the CPU with WiFi streaming.

    Like I said, this dongle is a peasant's dream for a PC, not a multimedia solution.
    These dongles have SOCs which have dedicated DSP IC for de/en/transcoding various codecs so that the CPU and GPU are not taxed at all. Just like the newer CPU's from Intel and AMD.

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    I enjoy that the controller, "designed" by this Matt guy, is just a carbon-copy of the xbox controller (with fatter, squarer handles). I enjoy even more her comment of "it really takes into consideration the open-ness of ouya". How, exactly, does the controller do that, crazy lady?

    As the top comment says:
    The power of a phone with the portability of a console.
    Nah, I'm okay.
    Last edited by DM; Dec 28 2012 at 08:46.
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    well you are 1 of the greatest examples that pressing the reply button doesn't mean necessarily answering.

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    ironically i'm very dissaponted with the specs of this console , only 1GB of shared memory (way slower one than XBOX360 or PS3 has)

    4-5 years old PC with 4GB memory and 1GB VRAM can do way better ... but wait standard these days is 6-32GB and 2-4GB VRAM lol
    (hell these days you find tablets with 1,2,4,8 GB RAM memory already (smartphones with half))

    any Java based game or app will go cry me a river on this console ...

    so sad, nice concept, obsolete hardware by launch

    also about the GPU, while they claim to use faster OC version of Tegra 4 it's sort of worrysome compared to new PowerVR and upcoming NVIDIA Tegra 4
    (aka anything what comes with the new hw mid 2013 will make Ouya instantly obsolete)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DM View Post
    I enjoy that the controller, "designed" by this Matt guy, is just a carbon-copy of the xbox controller (with fatter, squarer handles). I enjoy even more her comment of "it really takes into consideration the open-ness of ouya". How, exactly, does the controller do that, crazy lady?

    As the top comment says:
    It does that by being transparent, silly buns

    €dit: i love how they put a fan in a closed box

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    i assume the fan isn't closed (so there are holes)
    and from the look it's some cheap fan which means it goes dusty, rusty and shaky soon ...
    so forget about quiet and cool

    all in all, nothing what any Chinese Android miniPC builder can't do... (slap some SOC, chips and ports together on small pcb)

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