Ouya! Time for game Developers like BIS to move to an open platform?

[Kindling]

I hope that BiS follows Valve and others by looking to migrate to Linux, too

That said, Ouya and similar systems may not necessarily have the throughput and a suitable architecture to run the ARMA II or III engine - these devices are made for very different workloads. It could be difficult to adapt ARMA II to such devices because of these differences, especially AI and rendering. Another issue is the user interface - it would need a LOT of work to adapt the UI to something comfortable to use on a console, or even a tablet or phone.

Technologically, I think it's possible. But is there really such a big milsim market on consoles, phones and tablets? I doubt it. Maybe we should just all look for a Linux Desktop port. This would increase portability to pretty much any x86 system without having to look at adapting to ARM or console.

[GossamerSolid]

I don't think there's enough power in this console for an "ArmA" scope game. But it's definitely an interesting concept to have an "open source" console.

[batto]

In reply to this OT post from Iroquis Pliskin.

bloated

Erm, what? (people that complain about some SW being bloated usually don't know what are they talking about).

zero details

What details are you missing?

the sole video shows them sitting there like clowns, designing a joystick 70% of the time.

Again, what are you expecting?

TBH there's more useful information in their PR video than in your critique full of crap.

Google Nexus 7 tablet is $199; the delusion which had been named "Ouya" is supposedly $99 - is NVIDIA going to sell these clowns Tegra 3 SoCs for $49 or less?

Ouya doesn't have touch screen. Also it'll not have thin design like tablets (hence cheaper power management).

Besides, specs in the ARM architecture move at the rate of Moore's Law, and I don't see such a "console" being upgradeable.

What the hell are you talking about? 1) Moore's law is exponential growth, 2) It can run on x86 too.

So, you have some independent 3rd party 99 cent Android media player developer as the only pillar for success? They could become victims of this scam also

Nope, they can't. Try to figure why as your homework.

which leads me to XBOX 720 and Windows 8 - Win 8 is actually a platform designed for the new upgradeable XBOX by Microsoft, and their recent patents do show that.

The master plan is to have the latest XBOX console running the same OS as PCs, presumably allowing same games to be played on both, which would be a blessing to developers and the death of console ports for PC. This may be the reason why VALVe is scared of Windows 8 - you won't be seeing the new XBOX games on Steam either way.

Maybe. Can you list those patents plase? By the way, do you realize that SW patents is complete BS?

Now you can see Microsoft's strategy, though it may become redundant if the new XBOX console becomes a PC de facto with upgradeable components, but I think MSFT knows its game and it will feature new proprietary connectors and PCB.

Whatever, Ouya will be upgradable from day 0 (without MS blessing).

[Iroquois Pliskin]

In reply to this OT post from Iroquis Pliskin.

I'd appreciate if you didn't cherry pick each single word and rather focus on the whole sentence.

Erm, what? (people that complain about some SW being bloated usually don't know what are they talking about)
What details are you missing?

How are people going to develop for this proprietary "console" and is there going to be further fragmentation in the mobile market due to their obsolete concept as a result? The majority of Android/mobile applications are developed with touchscreens and accelerometers in mind, and these things will not change.

Again, what are you expecting?

TBH there's more useful information in their PR video than in your critique full of crap.

That's the thing: no useful information as to the benefits of buying this box as opposed to a generic Android smartphone, or an XBOX/PS3. I'm not expecting anything after reviewing their plans.

Ouya doesn't have touch screen. Also it'll not have thin design like tablets (hence cheaper power management).

I'm not sure what cheaper power management has to do with anything, but my point was that Android gaming and multimedia is about mobility and not, I quote their own words, "Cracking open the last closed platform: the TV. A beautiful, affordable console -- built on Android".

What the hell are you talking about? 1) Moore's law is exponential growth, 2) It can run on x86 too.

The point is about hardware becoming obsolete within 18 months of shipping with no further upgrades possible, thus prompting another purchase for only $99.99.

1) Correct and the hardware performance doubles every 18-24 months in the computing world, it is even more relevant to the mobile market because of the immaturity of architecture.

2) You will not cram a x86 processor into that little box and if you do, the cost won't be $99, besides they're positioning themselves to be in the ARM market for whatever reason. Specs list a Tegra 3 SoC.

Maybe. Can you list those patents plase? By the way, do you realize that SW patents is complete BS?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/...able-xbox-720/
http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...DN/20120159090

If the new XBOX 720 can run Windows 8, then it will replace HTPCs, along with regular PCs in the casual herp-a-derp user's home - multimedia & AAA-class gaming, coupled with Internet browsing. Needless to say, "Ouya" can't compete.

P.S. If Kickstarter wasn't limited to the United States citizens, I'd think those 50k muppets who had donated were from some 3rd world country with a population in the hundreds of millions, donating in the hopes of having quality entertainment comparable to PS3/XBOX for just $99.99.

[batto]

How are people going to develop for this proprietary "console"

I guess they'll have to read Android documentation first, probably this https://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html.

and is there going to be further fragmentation in the mobile market due to their obsolete concept as a result? The majority of Android/mobile applications are developed with touchscreens and accelerometers in mind, and these things will not change.

1) What do you mean by "obsolete concept?
2) Ouya! has nothing to do with mobile market just because it runs on Android. Stop mixing these two things please.

That's the thing: no useful information as to the benefits of buying this box as opposed to a generic Android smartphone, or an XBOX/PS3. I'm not expecting anything after reviewing their plans.

The benefit is that it'll work out of box as gaming console / media center. It's like asking what are benefits of Xbox compared to PC.

I'm not sure what cheaper power management has to do with anything, but my point was that Android gaming and multimedia is about mobility and not, I quote their own words, "Cracking open the last closed platform: the TV. A beautiful, affordable console -- built on Android".

Again, mobile market has nothing to do with Ouya! just because it uses Android. Android is just OS.

The point is about hardware becoming obsolete within 18 months of shipping with no further upgrades possible, thus prompting another purchase for only $99.99.

1) Correct and the hardware performance doubles every 18-24 months in the computing world, it is even more relevant to the mobile market because of the immaturity of architecture.

2) You will not cram a x86 processor into that little box and if you do, the cost won't be $99, besides they're positioning themselves to be in the ARM market for whatever reason. Specs list a Tegra 3 SoC.

Unfortunately there's no other way than buying better HW when your current HW becomes obsolete.

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...DN/20120159090

Patents in US are so flawed...

If the new XBOX 720 can run Windows 8, then it will replace HTPCs, along with regular PCs in the casual herp-a-derp user's home - multimedia & AAA-class gaming, coupled with Internet browsing. Needless to say, "Ouya" can't compete.

It isn't anything new or exciting or something that can't be done on Ouya!. Only advantage for average person seems to be those (dumb) AAA games.

[Iroquois Pliskin]

I guess they'll have to read Android documentation first, probably this https://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html.

I guess they will. Well, good luck to developers in subsidising this "console" with their free games.

1) What do you mean by "obsolete concept?
2) Ouya! has nothing to do with mobile market just because it runs on Android. Stop mixing these two things please.

1) A limited utility console box, which will be grounded in the living room 99% of the time, coupled with a generic design joystick - obsolete concept.
2) Really? Are Android games going to run on this "Ouya"? Who is the main competitor for this "Ouya": Nintendo, PS Vita? There has to be somebody, closest link is touchscreen smartphones with (mini-)HDMI outputs.

Again, mobile market has nothing to do with Ouya! just because it uses Android. Android is just OS.

ARM processors has everything to do with mobile. These "Ouya" clowns aren't even developing their own motherboards/PCB probably, nor are they going to use the x86 architecture. They are stuck to ARM and are in direct competition to simple smartphones, which are being mass produced in tens of millions of units each quarter.

Patents in US are so flawed...

It isn't anything new or exciting or something that can't be done on Ouya!. Only advantage for average person seems to be those (dumb) AAA games.

The point of bringing up MSFT's patent regarding their new XBOX is to emphasise the fact that they are working on it, and it will be vastly different to current generations of consoles.

Success is not guaranteed by patents - that's agreeable, but Windows 8 on this machine pretty much does.

P.S. "AAA-dumb games" as opposed to "Ouya" 99 cent Arcade games?

[Sakowski]

Do whats ya want, but even pretteh name wont take me away from my PC!

Either way for me, this console is just another waist of money and time.

[Iroquois Pliskin]

Time's up,

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...nsole/comments

Byron Roman about 4 hours ago

Okay, seriously, this lack of social connectivity between the OUYA staff and the community is making me want to go to my bank and tell them that I did not authorize any payment to boxer8 and that I want my money back........

Kevin Phan about 10 hours ago

imagine in like 20 more years, only 7.7k people have the limited edition OUYA, assuming that you guys keep your word on Limited and it would be worth so much.

Hungrymonkey80 about 14 hours ago

@ Garrood D: I'm worried too. The website looks not like a professional/corporate website should. And after the successfull funding I expected an update within minutes from Julie with a "Thank you all" and "we are working now on ... and ... and ...". But since update #12 we didn't hear anything from Julie. I'm realy getting nervous right now! Maybe I should contact my legal protection insurance...

Garrood Dynasty about 15 hours ago

I'm a bit worried with the ouya website looking so lame ass it's no wonder people think they may take off. And if they don't put any effort into their e3 exhibit either people will think they are a joke. It's not like they have to spend a fortune people don't expect that but they expect you to show SOME pride in your product not just do the barest minimum. It looks dodgy.

What do you guys think?

Eric0965 about 22 hours ago

I got $190 down And this may be a stupid question... but is new OUYA.tv site down? I just get reverted to the Ouya kickstarter homepage...

Haha. Fucking clowns. Hilarious.

Tulip mania can happen anytime, anywhere.

[Sakowski]

I had a dream... Of it dyin.
Perhaps?

[batto]

@Iroquois Pliskin: Sorry for delay and initial aggression.

I guess they will. Well, good luck to developers in subsidising this "console" with their free games.

AFAIK Square Enix is porting Final Fantasy to it. Not sure for what price and how it's going to be sold but I don't believe it'll be for free.

1) A limited utility console box, which will be grounded in the living room 99% of the time, coupled with a generic design joystick - obsolete concept.

Why obsolote? It seems to be hot these days (PS3, Xbox, Wii).

2) Really? Are Android games going to run on this "Ouya"? Who is the main competitor for this "Ouya": Nintendo, PS Vita? There has to be somebody, closest link is touchscreen smartphones with (mini-)HDMI outputs.

Not sure, but I don't think so since it doesn't have touch screen. I'm also not sure about the competition. Why does it matter anyway?

ARM processors has everything to do with mobile. These "Ouya" clowns aren't even developing their own motherboards/PCB probably, nor are they going to use the x86 architecture. They are stuck to ARM and are in direct competition to simple smartphones, which are being mass produced in tens of millions of units each quarter.

Just because 90% of them is used in mobile devices doesn't mean that anything ARM based has anything to do with Android apps market (there are also ARM based servers). I don't get the logic why using ARM as a processor makes you smartphone competitor. These two have obviously different controls, use cases, ...

The point of bringing up MSFT's patent regarding their new XBOX is to emphasise the fact that they are working on it, and it will be vastly different to current generations of consoles.

Success is not guaranteed by patents - that's agreeable, but Windows 8 on this machine pretty much does.

Yeah, I believe Ouya cannot stand chance too given the HW that will be in future Xbox. But it seems OK as a cheap living room multimedia device. By the way, at least in US, I think patents can to some degree help success.

P.S. "AAA-dumb games" as opposed to "Ouya" 99 cent Arcade games?

Hehe. We can discuss which of them are dumber =). But I'm no target audience of either for sure.