Valve declares WIndows 8 "a catastrophe for PC", talks about migrating games to Linux

[Iroquois Pliskin]

Valve may be also targeting Android (because it's also Linux). Look at this http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...o-game-console. It reached goal in KS in 8 hours!

This is a scam, by the way. Same specs as a Google Nexus 7/Galaxy 10 or any Tegra 3 smartphone and these phones do have HDMI out. The concept is redundant, manifest in an Android OS box without a screen, grounded in the living room. Goodbye 7.5 million dollars.

Windows 8,



Can't see corporates moving to such an unproductive OS: UI design is well-suited for tablets and other mindless consumption devices, though not desktop.

[Sennacherib]

personally I don't like at all, what I can see in the vid. where is the simplicity? The panel with all these icons seems really uncomfortable for an intensive use . And If you don't use all the microsoft programs; is it possible to remove them; the panel seems frozen.

[batto]

This is a scam, by the way. Same specs as a Google Nexus 7/Galaxy 10 or any Tegra 3 smartphone and these phones do have HDMI out. The concept is redundant, manifest in an Android OS box without a screen, grounded in the living room. Goodbye 7.5 million dollars.

Scam? Care to elaborate? It's seems OK for simple games like Tekken or Mario and there may be products with better specs in future from independent vendors. It's also more than just gaming console (http://xbmc.org/natethomas/2012/08/0...-ouya-oh-yeah/).

Valve may be also preparing its own "Valve Box".

[Orcinus]

Ugly and unintuitive as the Metro design may appear to some (& apparently there's a registry hack that brings back something like a normal Win desktop) could posters please keep OT & not wander off into a general discussion of the merits/demerits of W8?

TIA

Orc

[Iroquois Pliskin]

There's a way I can discuss this Ouya crap and stay on topic of Windows 8.

Scam? Care to elaborate?

Read their prospectus: bloated, zero details, the sole video shows them sitting there like clowns, designing a joystick 70% of the time.

It's seems OK for simple games like Tekken or Mario and there may be products with better specs in future from independent vendors.

Google Nexus 7 tablet is $199; the delusion which had been named "Ouya" is supposedly $99 - is NVIDIA going to sell these clowns Tegra 3 SoCs for $49 or less? Besides, specs in the ARM architecture move at the rate of Moore's Law, and I don't see such a "console" being upgradeable.

It's also more than just gaming console (http://xbmc.org/natethomas/2012/08/0...-ouya-oh-yeah/).

So, you have some independent 3rd party 99 cent Android media player developer as the only pillar for success? They could become victims of this scam also, which leads me to XBOX 720 and Windows 8 - Win 8 is actually a platform designed for the new upgradeable XBOX by Microsoft, and their recent patents do show that.

The master plan is to have the latest XBOX console running the same OS as PCs, presumably allowing same games to be played on both, which would be a blessing to developers and the death of console ports for PC. This may be the reason why VALVe is scared of Windows 8 - you won't be seeing the new XBOX games on Steam either way.

Now you can see Microsoft's strategy, though it may become redundant if the new XBOX console becomes a PC de facto with upgradeable components, but I think MSFT knows its game and it will feature new proprietary connectors and PCB.

[batto]

@Iroquois Pliskin: Let's continue here http://forums.bistudio.com/showthrea...=1#post2203776

[MrBump]

So, you have some independent 3rd party 99 cent Android media player developer as the only pillar for success? They could become victims of this scam also, which leads me to XBOX 720 and Windows 8 - Win 8 is actually a platform designed for the new upgradeable XBOX by Microsoft, and their recent patents do show that.

The master plan is to have the latest XBOX console running the same OS as PCs, presumably allowing same games to be played on both, which would be a blessing to developers and the death of console ports for PC. This may be the reason why VALVe is scared of Windows 8 - you won't be seeing the new XBOX games on Steam either way.

Now you can see Microsoft's strategy, though it may become redundant if the new XBOX console becomes a PC de facto with upgradeable components, but I think MSFT knows its game and it will feature new proprietary connectors and PCB.

Where does all of this come from? The idea that the xbox would go from a custom built OS, to a operating system based on the Windows kernal seems ludicrous.

[Iroquois Pliskin]

Where does all of this come from? The idea that the xbox would go from a custom built OS, to a operating system based on the Windows kernal seems ludicrous.

It comes from MSFT's desire to have an even bigger monopoly on the events that happen in DirectX space, this is why they peddle Windows 8 to desktops - it will become interchangeable with the new XBOX, as will the games for it. After interacting with Metro, it seems as if the UI had been made as a (secondary) match for a joystick controller and a large screen HDTV, "tiles4derps".

Sony doesn't have their own operating system and by linking PC and console, you ensure the majority of game developers will want to design for MSFT.

[MrBump]

It comes from MSFT's desire to have an even bigger monopoly on the events that happen in DirectX space, this is why they peddle Windows 8 to desktops - it will become interchangeable with the new XBOX, as will the games for it.

It just doesn't seem logical to me that they would throw away all that development on the xbox OS to bolt on a Windows OS with all it's issues like legacy functionality, non-relevant critical components etc?

[Iroquois Pliskin]

It just doesn't seem logical to me that they would throw away all that development on the xbox OS to bolt on a Windows OS

It is the same logic that has given PS3/XBOX 360 high capacity hard drives to store multimedia and a BluRay drive, an Ethernet port and other connectivity to PlayStation 3. Does anyone remember 16 MB PlayStation Memory cards?

Windows 8 will unsettle many things, take the case for ultrabook laptops for an example: Asus Transformer Infinity TF700, specs are Tegra 3 Quad core SoC, 1 GB RAM, Anrdoid OS (for now), 1080p 10" IPS screen, HDMI out, 1 2.0 USB port, 2 MP front-facing camera, 8 MP main one on the back of the tablet, MicroSD slot + SD slot on the keyboard dock, the keyboard also has an additional battery. Price only $599.



Envision the same tablet/form-factor with the keyboard and Windows 8/RT slapped onto it with integrated OfficeSuite out the box - it makes every laptop below the <13" form-factor obsolete. Not to mention upcoming Intel's Haswell ultra-low voltage CPUs - you may even be able to cram an x86-64 processor in the same chassis and still retain 8-9 hour battery life.

This MSFT OS on a next-gen console can take down the remaining competition for home entertainment for Joe & Jane 6-pack: HTPCs, PC sales would suffer, if you could watch the latest movies on BluRay, suft the web and run all the latest MMOs on the XBOX 720, provided you buy a separate keyboard, and I'm sure a lot of dedicated people will do exactly that.