Modern War(fare) Crisis

[Sanctuary]

Ah yes, it's possible that it doubles the vertices count at every edges like if you apply an edgesplit modifier in Blender, as after conversion back into MLOD, the real vertice count is the same as the one i saw (+/- 2500 vertices) on the original MLOD.

For Inquisitor models, the ones i used with permission have been modified in WW4 (simplified in polycount and texture count like every models included in WW4), so if you want better visual quality, it's always a better idea to use the original models, not the WW4 versions.

The WW4 versions were made with a large amount of models used in the same time, leading me to lower both the quality of the models i used and the texture quality.

[*Zeewolf*]

Well if you look at the numbers you'll see that it's completely impractical to provide a model for every single attachment combination in MWC. So as it stands people are going to have to accept that the gun they'll be holding isn't going to look exactly like the one they have selected. If it were done properly then for example the Groza alone would need 72 models (36 if you combine the two suppressor options, the masterkey with the grenade launcher and don't provide separate models for guns with grips fitted). Currently the Groza is done with just five different models. While it's possible some generous people will help increase the model count substantially, the priority is currently to replace non-bis/ww4 content.

So I would say that 90% of the time the gun model you hold won't have the optic on it that you see when you aim down the sights or appear to mount all of the attachments you selected. If people don't like that then I'm afraid this mod is not for them. I would say the innovations this mod brings to multiplayer gameplay outweigh the purely cosmetic limitations imposed by the restricted model count.

The only reason I brought up the vertex and texture count issue is to provide some target numbers for volunteer modellers to aim for.

[STGN]

72? I manage 5 optics options(Iron,Aimpoint,Reflex,Eotech,ACOG), 3 under barrel(VFG,M203,MK) options, 2 muzzle(Flashhider, Suppressor) options in 30 models for my M4's(no surprise 5x3x2 is 30) what am I missing?
STGN

[Nikiller]

hi,

Nice project. Keep it up.

cya.

Nikiller.

[*Zeewolf*]

72? I manage 5 optics options(Iron,Aimpoint,Reflex,Eotech,ACOG), 3 under barrel(VFG,M203,MK) options, 2 muzzle(Flashhider, Suppressor) options in 30 models for my M4's(no surprise 5x3x2 is 30) what am I missing?
STGN

The 72 attachment combinations for any of the carbine type weapons:

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Iron sights, standard handguard, standard barrel	Iron sights, M203/GP30, standard barrel	Iron sights, Masterkey, standard barrel	Iron sights, Grip, standard barrel	Iron sights, standard handguard, flash suppressed	Iron sights, M203/GP30, flash suppressed	Iron sights, Masterkey, flash suppressed	Iron sights, Grip, flash suppressed	Iron sights, standard handguard, suppressed	Iron sights, M203/GP30, suppressed	Iron sights, Masterkey, suppressed	Iron sights, grip, suppressed
Reflex/Kobra sights, standard handguard, standard barrel	Reflex/Kobra sights, M203/GP30, standard barrel	Reflex/Kobra sights, Masterkey, standard barrel	Reflex/Kobra sights, Grip, standard barrel	Reflex/Kobra sights, standard handguard, flash suppressed	Reflex/Kobra sights, M203/GP30, flash suppressed	Reflex/Kobra sights, Masterkey, flash suppressed	Reflex/Kobra sights, Grip, flash suppressed	Reflex sights, standard handguard, suppressed	Reflex/Kobra sights, M203/GP30, suppressed	Reflex/Kobra sights, Masterkey, suppressed	Reflex/Kobra sights, grip, suppressed
Aimpoint sights, standard handguard, standard barrel	Aimpoint sights, M203/GP30, standard barrel	Aimpoint sights, Masterkey, standard barrel	Aimpoint sights, Grip, standard barrel	Aimpoint sights, standard handguard, flash suppressed	Aimpoint sights, M203/GP30, flash suppressed	Aimpoint sights, Masterkey, flash suppressed	Aimpoint sights, Grip, flash suppressed	Aimpoint sights, standard handguard, suppressed	Aimpoint sights, M203/GP30, suppressed	Aimpoint sights, Masterkey, suppressed	Aimpoint sights, grip, suppressed
Holo sights, standard handguard, standard barrel	Holo sights, M203/GP30, standard barrel	Holo sights, Masterkey, standard barrel	Holo sights, Grip, standard barrel	Holo sights, standard handguard, flash suppressed	Holo sights, M203/GP30, flash suppressed	Holo sights, Masterkey, flash suppressed	Holo sights, Grip, flash suppressed	Holo sights, standard handguard, suppressed	Holo sights, M203/GP30, suppressed	Holo sights, Masterkey, suppressed	Holo sights, grip, suppressed
ACOG/PSO-1 sights, standard handguard, standard barrel	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, M203/GP30, standard barrel	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, Masterkey, standard barrel	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, Grip, standard barrel	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, standard handguard, flash suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, M203/GP30, flash suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, Masterkey, flash suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, Grip, flash suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, standard handguard, suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, M203/GP30, suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, Masterkey, suppressed	ACOG/PSO-1 sights, grip, suppressed
Elcan sights, standard handguard, standard barrel	Elcan sights, M203/GP30, standard barrel	Elcan sights, Masterkey, standard barrel	Elcan sights, Grip, standard barrel	Elcan sights, standard handguard, flash suppressed	Elcan sights, M203/GP30, flash suppressed	Elcan sights, Masterkey, flash suppressed	Elcan sights, Grip, flash suppressed	Elcan sights, standard handguard, suppressed	Elcan sights, M203, suppressed	Elcan sights, Masterkey, suppressed	Elcan sights, grip, suppressed

No other weapon type has that many combinations, I can provide a similar grid for the other types if you want.

The blue text above indicate the WW4 models available for the M4 (which has the most models available compared to any other weapon, see the spoiler below for an example of the most common situation). The red text indicate attachment combos that are not allocated a separate class in the config because they are currently implemented using an alternate magazine rather than a weapon to achieve the desired stats. I could change how the database coding works to implement these as actual separate weapons but there's no point in me doing that unless the models were actually available. The remaining items in black text are defined weapon classes that use the closest model in appearance (so it would use a model from one of the weapons in blue text).

Jackal326 has given permission to use material from his SJB weapons pack which is good news. That leaves the G36C, M39 EMR, M1014, claymore and the mildot scope requiring replacement or permissions to use. Assuming a 1:1 replacement for a release to take place of the currently used models the list of required replacements is:

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Used for	Actual weapon model being used	Model path
M39 Acog/Elcan	Mk14 EBR aimpoint	\LSR_uswp\m14\lsr_m14_sopmod_aim.p3d
M39 Acog/Elcan flash suppressed	Mk14 EBR aimpoint suppressed	\LSR_uswp\m14\lsr_m14_sopmod_sd_aim.p3d
M39/Sniper Scope/ART/Ballistic Scope	Mk14 EBR leupold scope	\LSR_uswp\m14\lsr_m14_sopmod_leu.p3d
M39/Sniper/ART/Ballistic Scope Suppressed	Mk14 EBR leupold scope suppressed	\LSR_uswp\m14\lsr_m14_sopmod_sd_leu.p3d
G36C, any optic, standard barrel, standard handguard or grip	G36C aimpoint, standard barrel with grip	\G36Commando\G36_Mag_NoGrenade_Stock.p3d
G36C, any optic, suppressed, standard handguard or grip	G36C aimpoint, suppressed with grip	\G36Commando\G36_Mag_NoGrenade_Stock_Suppr.p3d
G36C, any optic, standard barrel, M-203 or masterkey	G36C aimpoint, standard barrel with AG36, no stock (version of model with stock doesn't work!)	\G36Commando\G36_mag_grenade.p3d
G36C, any optic, suppressed, M-203 or masterkey	G36C aimpoint, suppressed with AG36	\G36Commando\G36_mag_grenade_stock_suppr.p3d
M1014 iron sights or reflex	Benelli M3 iron sights	\LSR_USWP\m1014\LSR_m3.p3d
M1014 aimpoint or holo	Benelli M3 aimpoint	\LSR_USWP\m1014\LSR_m1014_aim.p3d
Claymore	BIS Satchel charge	satchel.p3d
Sniper score or Ballistic scope standard barrel	Mildot reticle	\LSR_uswp\opt\opt_mildot.p3d
Sniper score or Ballistic scope flash suppressed	Mildot reticle with no muzzle flash	\LSR_uswp\opt\opt_mildot_sd.p3d

Which is actually quite short! So er... any volunteers yet?

[STGN]

With the exception of ELCAN sight, No flashhider and suppressors for standard handguard all those are covered in my latest released M4 pack.
STGN

[*Zeewolf*]

With the exception of ELCAN sight, No flashhider and suppressors for standard handguard all those are covered in my latest released M4 pack.
STGN

Ok, I'll use the ww4 M4s to make up the difference (assuming you're giving me permission to use your models which is what you seem to be implying, in which case thanks!). Given the incredible number of classes needed in MWC I've been worrying about the impact of leaving all the configs in the non-ww4 addon pbos. MWC uses the main bin\config.cpp for pretty much everything (it also provides unit and weapon replacement for stock BIS classes).

All the configs in the addon folder will be concatenated and compiled into one class hierarchy so when the game starts the mod is going to be using memory to store effectively redundant class definitions (since they won't be used in MWC missions). For WW4 it's not really a problem since I can remove all of the configs for ww4 units and weapons (most of them are handily packaged separately from the textures/models they use). My thought being that people would just use the MWC mod folder to run MWC multiplayer missions and another mod folder for the proper addon .pbo.

Assuming I can use it would it be ok for me to remove the config.cpp from your M4 addon and repack it with the same name (which saves me repathing all of the textures)? Or do you think I'm just being paranoid about memory usage?

[STGN]

Well you can use my models if you want but if you are not gonna include whole addon I will prefer it if you do not use the same .pbo name. Not sure if it will make a noticeably difference anyway whether or not .cpp is included?
STGN

[*Zeewolf*]

Well I'll tell you what I've observed from years of butchering addons in that manner. If you have a PC that requires -nomap to run OFP with a large collection of addons, if you cut out redundant models and textures you can drop below the -nomap threshold, so obviously the size of the addon affects memory usage even if its contents are not instantiated. I think certain class definitions can have an affect on memory usage as well (I seem to remember having a big problem when I was making the config for a 210MB voice pack, it was ok up until a certain number of classes then it required nomap).

Anyway, I digress. I appreciate your point of view on the matter of reusing models without repathing them. So I will defer the decision on whether to use your M4s until the high priority items (G36C, M39, claymores, M1014 and mildot) are sorted out. I still haven't had any replies to my emails and PMs from Laser or Nicholas Vinen (guy who made G36Commando.pbo no evidence he was ever a member of these forums so I'm relying on a 9 year old email address!), however Macser has kindly offered to have a look at the G36C which helps keep the mod moving. I'll start working on an editor guide that will describe the few steps necessary to customise the template missions and delve into the guts of how all the mission scripts work for people who want to expand upon any part of this mod (I'm intending all of my scripts to be completely permission free, attribution only, I've never released stuff with anything more stringent than a modified BSD license and I'm not going to start now).

P.S. I'm still missing a claymore model of any kind, I can't imagine it would be hard to make a little green box on legs with some widgets on top (but who am I to say). Any one care to help with that one?

[Nikiller]

hi,

P.S. I'm still missing a claymore model of any kind, I can't imagine it would be hard to make a little green box on legs with some widgets on top (but who am I to say). Any one care to help with that one?

I think you have a good claymore model in one of the mapfact addons. Maybe military objects or barracks I don't remember. I also made an AP mine script very performance friendly in MP I can send it to you if you want.

EDIT: Claymore model is in JOF_Objects

LINK



cya.

Nikiller.