Too much muzzle flash and reload animations?

[Panda_pl]

I didn't even notice that. The muzzle device you're looking at is a Smith Industries Vortex flash suppressor, one of the most effective flash suppressors on the market.

Unless you use special camera such footage is worthless.
Alternatively you could use camera with long exposure times...

Any digital device that films at 24 fps has a great chance of missing events that are milliseconds long. On the other hand human eye does not have refresh rates and you will always see the flash and in its most developed shape.
The night vision catches those better because it has the afterimage effect by design, similar to human eye.

The vortex one does not seem all that effective, on a side note and it's similar type to the one MX uses on photograph.

I think Booster's footage shows what happens once in a blue moon when stars align and your refresh rate is in synch with the flash at its peak magnitude.

[DemonMustang]

To "one-up" the caliber issue, I've fired my DSA SA58 (7.62x51mm) with a 16" barrel and a Phantom Flash Hider at night time and don't remember much of anything in terms of muzzle flash... I might have a video of it somewhere. Bare with me, I'll look for it when I get home and will try to post it.

[Tonci87]

To conclude this nonsense:

From time to time I get to shoot with an old AKS 47 with military ammunition. The muzzle flash is not so visible in daylight, but really big at night time. The muzzle flashes shown at E3 are perfect.

But the guns do need more smoke


(OK this video already has too much smoke, but you get the point)

[ahmedjbh]

I think they looked excited, way better than A2.

Especially the particle effect in the muzzle flash, just like the youtube video posted on page 1.

Go BIS

[Streaks]

I've fired several rifles, pistols and even a shotgun or two at night. What made the biggest flash? My Colt 1911 Series 80 hands down. But, even then I STILL had to load up +P to make a nice big ball 'o flame. Standard milspec ammo in the 1911 made moderate to no flash each shot. The .44 revolver I fired (Ruger Super Redhawk), made surprisingly little flash. My Rock River AR15 with the hybrid comp/hider (standard A3 IIRC?), in low light and night time shooting made next to no visible flashes except for every now and then. My friend's AK47 made a bit of flash but it was not every shot, more like every fifth you'd get a little flash. And my 870 didn't make much at all if any.

I think what folks don't understand is there's a reason modern powder is called "smokeless". Go read the wikipedia article about it, just look up smokeless powder, it's a very good article. And I agree with what several have said, and I can tell you AS a handloader....there's a difference in powders used for civillian ammunition vs military. And, note too that milspec rounds are typically loaded hotter than their civillian counterparts.

The footage Booster posted I think is a perfect example. You DO INDEED see muzzle flashes....just not every shot fired...and not typically a brilliant ball but a quick flash of flame. As I understand it, it chances of flash increase with shots fired between cleanings.

[DemonMustang]

I've fired several rifles, pistols and even a shotgun or two at night. What made the biggest flash? My Colt 1911 Series 80 hands down. But, even then I STILL had to load up +P to make a nice big ball 'o flame. Standard milspec ammo in the 1911 made moderate to no flash each shot. The .44 revolver I fired (Ruger Super Redhawk), made surprisingly little flash. My Rock River AR15 with the hybrid comp/hider (standard A3 IIRC?), in low light and night time shooting made next to no visible flashes except for every now and then. My friend's AK47 made a bit of flash but it was not every shot, more like every fifth you'd get a little flash. And my 870 didn't make much at all if any.

I think what folks don't understand is there's a reason modern powder is called "smokeless". Go read the wikipedia article about it, just look up smokeless powder, it's a very good article. And I agree with what several have said, and I can tell you AS a handloader....there's a difference in powders used for civillian ammunition vs military. And, note too that milspec rounds are typically loaded hotter than their civillian counterparts.

The footage Booster posted I think is a perfect example. You DO INDEED see muzzle flashes....just not every shot fired...and not typically a brilliant ball but a quick flash of flame. As I understand it, it chances of flash increase with shots fired between cleanings.

Thanks for your input. Give your 870 a try with 3" magnums. Those give a muzzle flash at night. But not as bright or as big as in this game still. Just a quick orange ball and that's it.

[Streaks]

Thanks for your input. Give your 870 a try with 3" magnums. Those give a muzzle flash at night. But not as bright or as big as in this game still. Just a quick orange ball and that's it.

My favorite is still the .45ACP The shotty beats my shoulder up too much, just thinking about the 3" magnums (fired a few of those), makes me ache! I have an old neck injury on that side and I can only put about four rounds through my shotgun before I'm in a lot of pain

[DemonMustang]

My favorite is still the .45ACP The shotty beats my shoulder up too much, just thinking about the 3" magnums (fired a few of those), makes me ache! I have an old neck injury on that side and I can only put about four rounds through my shotgun before I'm in a lot of pain

Phew, so I don't feel so bad anymore, lol. I've been shooting for about 20 years now, but have to admit the last year or more I haven't really gone to the range much. Between not having a lot of spare time and not having a lot of spare money for ammo and range fees, I just haven't found the time. But recently I took my 870 out to the range, bought a bunch of 2 3/4" 00-buck shot and 3" magnum 000-buck shots with me. And holy crap, the 3" magnums kicked my ass. Normally I square-off with the target, but with the 3" magnums I just HAD to put my right foot back a little because it was literally pushing me backwards when I was squaring my feet off with the target, lol. It's amazing how much of a difference that little bit of charge makes because the 2 3/4" 00-buck rounds were easy to fire... And yes, my shoulder was a bit sore after shooting off a few boxes of 3" magnums. I actually thought about just not shooting them anymore, but then was thinking what I'll do with the rest of the 3" rounds if I don't shoot them, lol. :-D

[Booster]

[Nicholas]

I'm somewhat tempted to take my camera and AR to the range tonight and see how big the muzzle flash is.