Will Bohemia finally improve ARMA's PVP to attract New Players?

[Minoza]

I understand the point perfectly, what you need to accept is that Arma simply cannot compete with those games because the fact is that the people who play those games desire fast and furious house to house and room to foom firefights. We all know that Arma is far too clunky for fighting fluidly indoors.

Arma 2 is, that's why we're all hoping new animation system might improve door to door fighting. We shall see. But, realize that this isn't the only thing concerning good PvP, and I still can't see why Arma 3 couldn't or shouldn't compete with a game like BF3 in that regard, especially since Arma can actually do even more given all the stuff it allows you to do.

[Dragonshot]

and I still can't see why Arma 3 couldn't or shouldn't compete with a game like BF3 in that regard

Because Arma3 isn't a console game.

[NoRailgunner]

Let's demand that A3 should have its very own & typical mp missions! So people won't say "Ah yes, that's just something I played XX times in CoD and/or BF...." Don't let BIS devs get away with "just copying" stuff that works somehow in shooter games. BIS can make the difference!

[batto]

Dragonshot used this "hurr durr bash BF3 without reading the thread, it'll make me look like cool milsimer" several pages back and now he's doing it again. Just ignore him...

Here is how I see it ;-) http://forums.bistudio.com/showthrea...=1#post2152982

[Bee8190]

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Let's demand that A3 should have its very own & typical mp missions..

I'd agree with this. I'm pretty confident BIS now* can see what saturation can a ''simple'' mission / mod make and while I'm neither looking for overly simple, console style missions, it would be foolish not to include some decent yet quite simple missions in the official package. I'm also pretty impressed that Domi is around for so long and still have hundreds of players playing every day. Same BE warfare. For some reason these missions are very popular yet doesn't copy any of the big titles and remain quite unique to Arma series, where I seen those first. Now they're not exactly hyper realistic but leave the player a choice and huge replayability value and more ''this uniqe missions / mods is what I beleieve the thread OPP point was about.

I'd like to see more thoughts than stating the obvious like: Meh fuck em consoles is all I have to say

[PuFu]

I still can't see why Arma 3 couldn't or shouldn't compete with a game like BF3 in that regard

BECAUSE:
1. both BF3 and COD are games designed AROUND PVP Multiplayer (battlelog browser, achievements, unlocks, perfectly symmetric speced weapons and balanced to the micron multiplayer etc etc).
Arma is designed around the sandbox - do your own thing as you please - concept, which is right at the other end of the scale.
2. Both COD and BF3 target platform is XBOX and PS3, and NOT the PC. Yes, it runs on PC just as well, but everything from the control schemes to the features (or lack of such as lean) are designed with consoles in mind.

I said it before, and i am gonna say it again: i am certain celery will make a wonderful job designed out of the box pvp missions.
That said, some of you would expect this game to have certain features you are able to find in your generic public PVP oriented shooter. Don't have your bubble burst when that is NOT gonna happen.

@batto:
so what you want is ported over PvP missions from fast paced shooters into A3 (example of weapons found on the floor, which in all other games you need to run over, while in A3 you'll have to actually use your actions to pick it up)? With a little bit of imagination (surely, not from your part), there can be the same game mods, or even more for public PvP that don't involve the stupidity and illogic of your generic UT/Quake/CS games.

[batto]

BECAUSE:
1. both BF3 and COD are games designed AROUND PVP Multiplayer (battlelog browser, achievements, unlocks, perfectly symmetric speced weapons and balanced to the micron multiplayer etc etc).
Arma is designed around the sandbox - do your own thing as you please - concept, which is right at the other end of the scale.

Counter-Strike is designed around PvP MP too and it doesn't have most of the crap you describe. Same goes for UT and Quake.

so what you want is ported over PvP missions from fast paced shooters into A3

ARMA is fast paced shooter too you're just too ignorant to accept it beacuse you're used to play slow paced boring coops only. CTF was invented in fast-paced shooters and is played in ARMA too. Those other game modes could be played too with little modifications.

(example of weapons found on the floor, which in all other games you need to run over, while in A3 you'll have to actually use your actions to pick it up)?

I didn't say anything on how should be equimpent picked up. Of course run over is not an option.

With a little bit of imagination (surely, not from your part), there can be the same game mods, or even more for public PvP that don't involve the stupidity and illogic of your generic UT/Quake/CS games.

Why not to invent new totally different (and currently unknown) Internet because some people doesn't like the current one?

stupidity and illogic of your generic UT/Quake/CS games

If you're not interested you can continue to play your boring coops for soldier wanabees.

I can't shit down on your preferences no matter how much i would want it, so you should do the same, and keep your own turd for yourself then.

[PuFu]

Counter-Strike is designed around PvP MP too and it doesn't have most of the crap you describe. Same goes for UT and Quake.

yeah, the point i am trying to make: A3 is NOT gonna be designed around PVP MP, no matter how hard you crybaby. get used to it

ARMA is fast paced shooter too you're just too ignorant to accept it beacuse you're used to play slow paced boring coops only. CTF was invented in fast-paced shooters and is played in ARMA too. Those other game modes could be played too with little modifications.

Son, pull that finger out of your ass please. Even if that gives you pleasure, it's very rude to do it in public.
1. you don't know me, and have no idea what types of games i play. One thing for sure, i've took part in most if not all PvP tournaments available and some ladders as well since 206-2007. I have even tried some in OFP days, but my internet connection was really limited back then.
One thing for certain, I haven't seen you in any of those.
2. you can keep all the rest of your boring opinions for yourself.
3. I am aware CTF is being played in ArmA too, still the pace of the game is nowhere near UT or Quake.

I didn't say anything on how should be equimpent picked up. Of course run over is not an option.

Not but it is obvious you don't really think much either.

Why not to invent new totally different (and currently unknown) Internet because some people doesn't like the current one?

straw argument much

If you're not interested you can continue to play your boring coops for soldier wanabees.

if you can't grasp the fact that there won't be any fucking UT gamemodes in arma (and unlike you i can put money on it since i know i can't loose any), why don't you go back to playing quake live or whatever other game out there. If any, you can compare Arma PvP MP with AA2/3 raven shield etc.

maybe you should go bark at a different tree

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[Celery]

Like I said before, the context of 'compete' is lost on most people here. Nothing changed.

[ProfTournesol]

This topic is getting better and better. Only name callings and prejudices.