sudayev 27 Posted April 7, 2012 Hey guys in need rough manpower numbers of Europe's strongest armies in the 60's. I did my best to find any tables with number comparisons and my search was fruitless. All I got left is to do ant's work research and pick each army one by one and learn their manpower in 60's. Does anyone have any data, like tables with number or rough rankings? Cmon.. For example, In 1965 People's Army of Poland had manpower equal +-300.000 front soldiers and 650.000 of territorial defence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted April 7, 2012 I guess the Yugoslawian Army was one of the biggest, or even the biggest in Europe. France and GB would be next. Do you also coun´t foreign Armys stationed in Europe? There were many Americans in Germany at that time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
da12thMonkey 1943 Posted April 7, 2012 It can be quite difficult to compare, as some countries will publish their statistics including reserves, paramilitary forces, conscripts etc. while others do not. The UK had ~521,100 'Regular Forces' personnel in 1960, of which ~257,800 were in the British Army. By 1970 these numbers had reduced to ~373,000 people in all three services, of which ~174,000 were in the Army. As I said, these are just the figures for full time UK Forces, Gurkhas and all Full Time Reserve Service personnel, so the various Territorial Army, National Service and other part-time/reserve organisations that existed at various points in this period, aren't included in those figures. The document I got these numbers from has a comparative table of NATO forces from 1975, which I guess you could roughly extrapolate back a decade or so. However it states the same problem that I mentioned at the start, about the ambiguity of which types of service are counted in the statistics when it comes to countries publishing their Army's manpower. Also, it doesn't have figures for the non-Nato European countries of the time (i.e Warsaw Pact or unaligned) www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN02183.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted April 7, 2012 OK I have some numbers. But it seems impossible to get numbers from 1960. At it´s peek point the JNA had 600000 active troops and 2,4 million trained reserves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted April 7, 2012 Ok. Yugoslavia and UK sorted. What about France and Italy? I can't find anything about French Army. Combined forces of Germany supported by the US equaled 370.000 men back in 60's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onlyrazor 11 Posted April 7, 2012 For the purpose of this discussion, is Russia considered a European or Asian nation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted April 7, 2012 Yeah I checked again, totally impossible to get accurae numbers on the JNA strentght of that time. Maybe you could ask IceBreakr, he might be able to point you to some sources. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[frl]myke 14 Posted April 8, 2012 During the 60's and 70's, the Swiss Army had ~880'000 active military personel if required to mobilize all forces. There's a reason why people said "Switzerland doesn't have a army, Switzerland IS a army." ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onlyrazor 11 Posted April 8, 2012 I thought Switzerland only had a government-organised militia. Technically, every adult man in Switzerland is a member of the militia, keeping a rifle and 90 bullets in his home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*LK1* 10 Posted April 12, 2012 for what i know Jugoslavian army was the third or the fourth biggest army in europe. france has always been the biggest army in europe (i guess even today). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KilKenny 10 Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) Hi, I've found a Wikipedia article (in french) stating that the french army had more than 400 000 men in Algeria in the early 60s during the independance war, and that it represented about one third of its global personnel at the time, so it suggests the global number should be around 1,200,000 men in 1960. Source : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_militaire_de_la_France That includes conscripts of course, but not the locals who fought as auxiliaries in the colonies, and they were between 236,000 and 400,000 men according to that same article. Edited April 12, 2012 by KilKenny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PELHAM 10 Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) The Soviet Army was the largest active army in the world from 1945 to 1991. Although I'm not sure of the numbers based in Europe, it's safe to say much of it was. Numbers are difficult to come by as they were kept secret. Eg in Poland numbers were limited by treaty but this was ignored and nuclear weapons were installed without permission. In Germany alone in 1991 there were: 338,000 soldiers in 24 divisions, distributed among five land armies and an air army. 4,200 tanks 8,200 armored vehicles 3,600 artillery pieces 106,000 other motor vehicles 690 aircraft 680 helicopters 180 rocket systems Poland early 1990s: 56,000 soldiers (This is a much reduced fugure and could be easily multiplied during the 70's), with 600 tanks, 400 artillery pieces and 200 planes, 250 nuclear assets. Czechoslovakia around 1970 after the uprising: 85,000 troops and comprised two tank divisions, three mechanized infantry divisions, three missile brigades, an artillery brigade, and an airborne assault brigade. Hungary 1980s Around 60,000 troops, 2 Tank Divisions, 2 motorized Divisions, 36th Air Army. There were also many divisions in the occupied Baltic states but not got numbers for those. Edited April 12, 2012 by PELHAM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beagle 684 Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) This chart shows the personal strenght of Bundeswehr, it had it's peak in 1991 with more than half a million regular soldiers including 250.000 Reservist...wartime strenght would have been 1 Million men in about 2 weeks. personal gear fpr 1 Million was stored in special barracks...basically all barracks had 2-3 empty company blocks with full armory to be filled up with Reservist in case of NATO alert. German Army was infact the biggest european army in cold war...logically it was because we were the frontline. through the 70's the strenght was all around 480.000. Edited April 12, 2012 by Beagle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KilKenny 10 Posted April 12, 2012 Found the chart for the french army : So it goes from about 1,000,000 in 1960 to roughly 600,000 in 1970, due mostly i guess to the end of the decolonization wars. The arrow at the end shows the strenght of reserve forces. Source : http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/rfsoc_0035-2969_1981_num_22_1_3390# Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adamicz 3 Posted April 15, 2012 Czechoslovakia around 1970 after the uprising:85,000 troops and comprised two tank divisions, three mechanized infantry divisions, three missile brigades, an artillery brigade, and an airborne assault brigade. These numbers seems to be wrong as in 1969 there was 214,000 military personel (580,000 including reservists in case of war) in CSLA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites