ARMA 2: OA beta build 91138 (1.60 MP compatible build, post 1.60 release)

[Qazdar]

@maturin

Five 30mm AP bullets are enough to cut a heli like a razor ^^

I think you remember that chinook that got smashed in the air by RPG shot in afghanistan :S

[Beagle]

Right, in ArmAII in the contrary a 125mm Sabot or Heat will only force you to land because of fuel leak...destruction wont happen until the third shot...to get a safe credited KILL you usually need to put 2-3 Sidewinders or R-73 into a plane or choppers and that's simply bullshit.

[Qazdar]

Just to give you an idea on how 30 mm is effective watch this video from lock on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtIbCC05mv8

[maturin]

Lame comment because a HEAT in ArmA II will do even less.

That's HEAT's problem. Anyhow, any normal caliber HEAT weapon will shut down the main rotor, in my experience, so you still shoot down the chopper. That's a good minimum. A lot of the 'HEAT hits' people see are actually the proximity fuse that an ACE config tweak accidentally added to the RPG, combined with BIS' silly 2-meter blast radius.

Five 30mm AP bullets are enough to cut a heli like a razor ^^

Sure, if they hit any of the wide variety of vulnerable components lying around. But hit an Mi-8 in the passenger compartment and you get five 40mm-diameter holes in the thin steel. The Apache and Hind have armor that can stop 23mm rounds, so its not like ordinance this size is going to turn an airframe like that into gibs.

I think you remember that chinook that got smashed in the air by RPG shot in afghanistan :S

Yeah, because that was an actual explosive.

Just to give you an idea on how 30 mm is effective watch this video from lock on:

At 1800 rounds a minute, with HE mixed in.

But whatever, I'm not actually defending BIS's systems and configs. Just pointing out that it's not all wrong all of the time.

Edit: Also, in ArmA I blew up Mi-8s with single sabots all the time. What happened? Whatever did made it more realistic, not less, since a KE round isn't going to make a chopper explode in mid air.

[Qazdar]

I am totally aware of the fact that A2 doesn't have some kind of physx system,but at least when a heli get shot by 100 mm it should explode

And fix T90 armor

[maturin]

When an Abrams shoots a T90, it is disabled and blows up after a few seconds. When a T90 shoots an Abrams (with a sabot), it is usually disabled.

Since the Russians don't make sabots that can penetrate the Abrams' frontal armor, I don't see what's so unfair about this.

The problem where you can destroy a T90 with a grenade launcher applies to all armored vehicles.

[OMAC]

Since the Russians don't make sabots that can penetrate the Abrams' frontal armor...

Strange... Why don't they?

[maturin]

Russians never have been too good with KE ammo. That's why they develop so many missiles.

[OMAC]

Seems like a good SABOT would be cheaper to make, especially with so much depleted uranium around... ???

[Beagle]

Strange... Why don't they?

It's due to lower gas pressure used in the 125mm cannons leading to lower muzzle velocity.
Not every gun has the high muzzle velocity of the Rheinmetall L44/55 smoothbore gun...the kind of penetrator is not the factor, the DM53 delivers a higher penetration with a tungsten carbide rod penetrator. at 1750m/s But all that penetration power comes with a heavy drawback t that the russians don't want to share. The L44/55 M256 cannons have a very short lifetime of only 300(desert))-500(temperate) rounds....the russian lower gas pressure guns lasts longer following the soviet/russian low maintenance doctrine.