Blackhawks by YuraPetrov

[yurapetrov]

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this info? Generally, you can load the ALE launchers with either chaff or flares. They're the same size and form, so it doesn't matter to the aircraft. You can actually program what gets launched manually with in the system of the aircraft. It just needs to know what was put and in which "chute."

If I stepped on yours or RH's toes about sound, I apologize. That wasn't my intent. I really like what I'm seeing with our addons (and RH's) and just trying to "help," though I understand if it isn't taken that way.

Info about chaff launcher i get from "Operator's Manual For UH-60Q Blackhawk Helicopter".


In this book it is written that flares are not used.



In this pic only only chaff dispenser shown.
But this manual is 10 years old, so i agree with islesfan186 what blackhawks have two flares dispensers and one chaff dispenser in present days.

[islesfan186]

yeah CMWS is an MWO or (Modification Work Order, or an aftermarket mod if you will), so it wont be in the 60Q -10 (users manual). Apaches had M130s as well but theyre being replaced by the new CMWS flare/chaff dispensers. an issue we ran into in iraq was not having a real way of testing the CMWS pods because all we had was M130 test sets which were essentially useless cuz we didnt have M130s anymore.

[yurapetrov]

Very very impressive work. Been following Yura's Blackhawk work for a while, nice to see a release!
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1. Somewhere along the way, UH-60Qs were redesignated as HH-60As. Don't even think you can find any reference to UH-60Qs in the technical manuals. (Though they still have EH-60As, have yet to see one of those.)
2. I don't think any pilot in a combat zone would want ESSS and fuel tanks on their bird, due to the weight and restrictions they put onto the airframe. Especially in Afghanistan where the altitude has a serious impact on the aircraft's performance.
3. AFIAK any US Army H-60 can be modded with CMWS and APR-39s, meaning mounting brackets meant specifically for flares being installed on both sides of the tail. Also makes the ALQ-144 obsolete, thankfully.
4. In that cockpit screenshot, seeing the engine torque at 100% while on the ground is kinda scary! Only time I've seen 100% is at 10,000 feet during a single-engine test procedure. :P
5. RH's H-60 sounds are as spot-on as the engine can support. My only complaint of his sounds are that they aren't as deafening as the real thing. :P
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Thanks for comments and your wish to improve addon.
1. I think what HH-60A is the simple UH-60A with Medevac Kit installed like this: http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/gi...a_med_walk.htm
UH-60Q is specially modified UH-60L with oxygen generation system, improved cabine lighting and specialized medical equipment.
And i think what medevac builded from modern version of blackhawk UH-60M is known as HH-60M. But maybe i'm wrong.
2. Most viewed pics of UH-60Q has external fuel tanks. But i agree with you and planed release modern version of medevac with four digital displays in cabine and without ESSS wings.
3. Ok, i'll add flares on both sides of helicopter.
4. What is the value of engine torque should be?
5. I am think up something with the sounds.

[SCFan42]

1. That link is just showing UH-60As with the Medevac kit installed. As long as the airframe has the required mods, the internal hoist and carousel can be moved between any UH-60. UH-60Qs were based on UH-60As, then redesignated HH-60As when the HH-60Ls came along. Both have the OBOGS, specialized medical stuff, external hoist, and FLIR pod on the nose.
2. Yeah, I'd assume most of those are state-side images. When I was in a Medevac HH-60L unit, they always kept the external tanks on to improve the range, but would remove them for a deployment.
3. I did goof a little up there, APR-39 is the Radar Warning Receiver system, which is installed "stock" on every H-60. Meant the AAR-57. And as islesfan186 noted, CMWS isn't covered in the operator's manual due to being a modification, with the exception of checklists for some reason (manuals are dumb like that.)
4. My memory is fuzzy on this, but I think 20% torque on each engine while cruising, and maybe 60% while in a hover. It's been a while since I've been up in one, which wasn't very often anyways.
6. Just a little bit of trivia! But to my understanding, the dedicated Medevac versions (HH-60A/L/M) are National Guard only. Active Duty would only use the Medevac kit. Not 100% on this at all.

And one quick picture that's labeled as HH-60A, showing FLIR, no crew windows, bubble cargo windows, rack for flare launcher on the tail cone, and the two mounts on the rear of the tail pylon for the CMWS sensors/eyes. http://www.pbase.com/jimgarbee/image/139584237

[yurapetrov]

I'm totally confused!
What is the difference between HH-60A from HH-60L?

[RobertHammer]

I'm totally confused!
What is the difference between HH-60A from HH-60L?

Well - HH-60A is medical version from UH-60A and HH-60L is medical version from UH-60L no? heh

[SCFan42]

Pretty much. The differences between the HH-60A and the HH-60L are the same as differences between the UH-60A and UH-60L. And same with the HH-60M/UH-60M. The differences include a number of small changes internally, main thing being an improved main transmission and engines. I also believe that every H-60L has the wider step fairings (The part that attaches in front of the main landing gear) to accommodate heavier vibration absorbers. But apart from that I couldn't tell you any visual difference between the H-60A and H-60Ls.

And as a bonus a picture of an HH-60L, deployed to Kosovo with ESSS and without CMWS. http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA--...ack/1014325/L/

[yurapetrov]

WIP
Added CMWS sensors to blackhawks

[gatordev]

3. I did goof a little up there, APR-39 is the Radar Warning Receiver system, which is installed "stock" on every H-60. Meant the AAR-57. And as islesfan186 noted, CMWS isn't covered in the operator's manual due to being a modification, with the exception of checklists for some reason (manuals are dumb like that.)
4. My memory is fuzzy on this, but I think 20% torque on each engine while cruising, and maybe 60% while in a hover. It's been a while since I've been up in one, which wasn't very often anyways.

I think there's some general misunderstanding of the various suppression defense systems. You basically have three systems:

1. IRCM, or ALQ-144 "Disco Ball" (or whatever the specific airframe uses). This is the active IR jammer that looks like a bunch of mirrors. Having any other counter-measure doesn't preclude having disco balls. They're effectiveness is a whole other issue, but one that really shouldn't be discussed here.

2. "Fish-eyes," or the Plume detectors. These are the little glass "eyes" that Yura has in his pictures of the nose of the helo. These aren't active, they just detect if a missile is launched. They feed information to other systems, but they're basic function is passive.

3. ALE-x9 launcher systems. Some are ALE-39 (on the -60B), some are ALE-49 (-60H/R/others). These are standard launcher systems that take EITHER chaff or flare rounds. The "Fish Eyes" can be set to automatically launch stuff from these launchers, but that's a setting the pilots make. A chaff round and a flare round are the same shape and size, so the launcher doesn't care which one is loaded, it's just a matter of the "brain" of the system knowing which is which so it knows what it needs to launch.

There's other systems that feed into the chaff/flare system, like the radar warning receiver (on some aircraft, this is the APR-39), but it's not an active counter-measure system. Just info that feeds into the overall "brain."

As for torque... It depends on the series of aircraft (-60A/B/F/H/R/etc), but 20% on deck is normal. The heavier the aircraft, the more torque in flight it's going to pull. In a Bravo/Romeo, seeing ~80% at 120 knots is normal. In a lighter Blackhawk, it's going to be less.

[Doofy]

Hello My name is =7Cav=SPC.Profit , 7thCavalry , Im part of S3 and we are fixing to do a New Mod pack and would love to see this in it .The Damage model for the rear tail roter does not work ,,No damage what so ever even with M2..The BTK logistics scrip does not work with it but that might be something with the BTK..I know it comes up as a non transport class so it wont let me put supplies into it..Ill ask BTK if you have no idea what could cause that..Thank you for your time sir..