What makes me curious is why there is an outcry about this in particular but not about OFP's islands despite them being based on real places as well, the main difference being a name not at all similar to the real thing.In my search for certain things I've seen the tension between Greece and Turkey in some posts, it is rather crazy, is that one of the primary reasons that some are unsettled? I would love to get some insight from someone other than a politician.
Last edited by NodUnit; Sep 28 2011 at 12:18.
The egg thing? ONLY, after we had a conversation with that mayor.Originally Posted by IceBreakr
jerryhopper: hope to see u there... we can throw some eggs at mayor's house or do donuts with scooters in front of it
/me thinks about registering *.gr or other funny domains.
www.limnos-resistance.gr ( local resistance site, to piss the mayor off. )
www.limnos-arma-travels.gr ( travel agency specialized in limnos for arma gamers )
www.war-on-limnos.com ( documentary by ITV that covers the bloody war thats going on - with real footage!!!!!!)
www.daily-limnos.gr ( and start a fictional newsblog scare the shit outta people)
www.ivebeentolimnosandpissedonthemayor.com ( because we can! )
so much for the fun.
About going on vacation there, im dead serious!!!
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From the language used, it seems like their primary concern is the resemblance to actual places. Malden does not resemble Lefkas in any way other than its outline.
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When you say actual places do you mean the terrain scaping (as claimed though it seems a bit silly) or perhaps the concern of say high security such as primary power plants and military bases? If so then I doubt BI would go that far, I mean heck even though the US is used so often in games I'm pretty sure there would be funny looks if anyone were to say fully model out fort rucker or camp lejeune.
My thoughts only:
The Greeks have some sort of national neurosis about invasion. There is a perceived notion that the Turks want to invade them and are at 24hrs notice to do so.
While there is a history of tensions between the 2 countries, particularly over Cyprus, I doubt it's been true for many years but there are extreme tensions in certain areas. Greek jets intercept Turkish jets on a daily basis and it's not polite stuff as is illustrated in the list of incidents below.
I have travelled to many Aegean islands and you see the same sort of thing. The sky is full of Greek jets on a daily basis, particularly in the Volos, Skiathos, Skopelos, Skyros, Limnos area.
If you know what to look for you will see patriot missile batteries, radar installations on hilltops, tanks on exercise and much more.
-Once when I was fishing on a deserted beach a dozen bored troopers asked to borrow my fishing rod so they could pose for pictures and make it look like they were having a great time on national service.
-On Rhodes I was stuck in a traffic jam because a tank had thrown a track and skidded, blocking the main road.
-At Iraklion in Crete our plane was delayed on take off due to military jets on a scramble.
-Volos 'Airport' is in fact a military air base and they have ZSU-23 AA guns all over the perimeter and the by the entrance.
They are particularly sensitive about all this. If you like hiking in the hills and taking pictures you would be wise to ask your tour guide/locals if there are any areas you should avoid. Several tourists have been detained as 'spies' and some were even put on trial. We were told very sternly by a worried looking tour guide not to take any pictures of Volos airport. She actually walked up and down the bus to make sure all cameras and phones were put away.
When I heard about Arma3 and Limnos I raised an eyebrow and briefly wondered if the locals would be happy about that. It looks like they still think there is a security risk. I don't know if it's real or imagined but all this was entirely predictable. Greek politicians have used the national rivalry with Turkey to get their voices heard for many years.
You can read about Turkish / Greek tensions here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%E...ons#Aegean_Sea
Aegean incidents:
During the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, two Turkish F-102's were shot down by a pair of Greek F-5A's.[5]
On 18 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F1CG crashed near the island of Saint Eustratius in the Northern Aegean, during a low-altitude dogfight with two Turkish F-16's. Greek pilot Nikolaos Sialmas was killed in the crash.
On 8 September 1996, a pair of Greek Mirage 2000's intercepted a pair of Turkish F-16's over the Aegean. One of the Turkish F-16's was shot down by a Greek Mirage 2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas.[6] Turkish pilot Nail Erdoğan was killed whereas back seater pilot Osman Cicekli bailed out and was rescued by a Greek helicopter.
On 23 May 2006, a Greek F-16 and a Turkish F-16 collided near the island of Karpathos during a Turkish reconnaissance flight.[7] Greek pilot Kostas Iliakis was killed, and the Turkish pilot bailed out and was rescued by a cargo ship. Greek Defence Minister E. Meimarakis stated at the Greek National Television (NET) and the morning programme 'Proti Grammi' that it was a a Turkish spying operation against the Greek island of Crete.
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Countries spying their neighbors is something pretty common. It happens all the time, some countries are sensitive about it, but they can't stop the satellites, commercial or military.
I seriously doupt Turkey is going to run out to store for a copy of Arma 3 so they can spy on Greece.
I'm sure theres much more valuable data sitting on Google earth and Flickr.
Turkey is going to get a license for VBS3 so they can run state of the art wargame exercises to practice invadingLimnosLemnos so they get it right the first time when that long overdue war finally kicks off
BIS will supply Turkey with a unique character free of charge, a Greek mayor named Hantonia Fatzidiusmanis that surrenders to every other character, including his own simulated dog, like a real surrender monkey. [/sarcasm]
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Maybe this secret weapon we've heard snippets about in A3 really exists? Would explain why it's such a sensitive topic...
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