COWarMod ACE Compatible - Open beta Project

**Angus S** · Sep 25 2011, 02:52

Hey I'd be more than happy to test it, but it might take a few days, I've got an incredibly busy week

**soldaten** · Sep 25 2011, 04:32

[/QUOTE]

@Soldaten
I need you to test:

Code:

Sights Adjustment
addons in concern here are:
- tgw_zeroing.pbo - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=11590)

Test with:

Code:

- COWarMod + ACE
- COWarMod
- ACE
- COWarMod + ACE without addon in COWarMod addons folder

[/QUOTE]

Did not find any disfunction between COWarMod & ACE when using Sight Adjustments, ill keep checking until tomorrow

**Günter Severloh** · Sep 25 2011, 04:57

Hey Angus, np buddy. If and when and I probably will get done with what I am planning on testing myself then what
i'll do is start testing what I had assigned you, if i report before you then when you
get back in just report your results and we can go from there.

As fro my recent test, heres what i found:

Gunter's Report
Features tested:

Code:

Blood Trails
Wounding System
addons in concern here are:
- slx_wounds
- slx_wounds_ais

Test results:

Code:

- tested the addons above with ACE + COWarMod/ACE Alone/COWarMod alone found no conflicts.
- The addons which are SLX i found added to the game I found the game more fun then with just ACE wounds alone. 
SLX added not only bleeding, more blood, wound specific location bleeding in some instances, some times dismemberment.

If anyone else other then our testers want to check this out on their own and give their feedback then 
by all means let me know what your thoughts are or what you found.

Final decision:

Code:

Keep both addons in COWarMod, game runs stable
 with it and adds to the game in terms of features.

ACE Updated feature List:

Code:

7/15 ACE FEATURES LIST
AI Improvements
AI Talk
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Explosion Effects
Interaction
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity -(Angus is testing)
NVG 
Playerhud 
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment -(Soldaten is testing)
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

---------- Post added at 11:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 PM ----------

@Soldaten

Did not find any disfunction between COWarMod & ACE when using Sight Adjustments,

I myself did not notice any conflicts either, i was testing this while working on wounds and blood trails.

I will add this for you to test, test when you can but lets not delay to long or I'll end up testing it for you.

soldaten

Code:

Features to test:
AI Talk
addons concerned about:
- RUG_DSAI - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6092)
- sar_krik - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10584)
- slx_dialogue - (Fixes missing words and adds larger voice pitch variations)

Test with:

Code:

- COWarMod +ACE
- ACE
- COWarMod
- COWarMod + ACE without Addons

TESTING Notes:

For testing the list above, when you test COWarMod + ACE without Addons that means remove the
files from your COWarMod addons folder and then test COWarMod + ACE.

A way you can do this, is to make a complete copy of the @COWarMod and then remove the files,
but give the @COWarMod a number in the name like @COWarMod1 as your already running @COWarMod understand?

EXAMPLE
So for example when I test I start up COWarMod + ACE, then I
-alt tab (gets me out of the game),
-then Start up ACE,
-alt tab,
-then i startup COWarMod,
-alt tab
-then i start up COWarMod1 which is the version without the files.

Purpose
Now the reasoning behind having 4 games running at the same time is it saves you time from having to shut
down the game to take out files, or to have to start up an ACE version, or a start up an COWarMod only version.
Now im able to do this with a single core without lag

so you guys with your duel cores should be alright.

Any questions let me know.

**Günter Severloh** · Sep 26 2011, 06:22

ACE Updated feature List:

Code:

8/16 ACE FEATURES LIST
AI Improvements
AI Talk - (Soldaten is testing)
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Fast Switching
Interaction
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity -(Angus is testing)
NVG 
Stamina
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment 
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

Ok Guys I had updated the list of features we are to test.
I had test the sight adjustment as Soldaten and came up wit the same results. my report:

Features tested:

Code:

Sights Adjustment
addons in concern here are:
- tgw_zeroing.pbo - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=11590)

Test results:

Code:

- tested the addon above and found no conflicts as same results as Soldaten.

Final decision:

Code:

Keep addon

Updated ACE Features List

The following ACE Features List has been updated.
I had rereviewd the features list seen here:
http://ace.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Features
and after about an hour of review comparing notes, I had concluded that a few of the features we were to test,
COWarMod had no addons or mods in it that effected those features.
So in replace I had added the remaining features needed to be tested, and based on the feature
description of the ACE features, I had added these 4:
- Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
- Fast Switching
- Grenade Throw Modes
- Stamina

Removed:
- Explosion Effects
- Playerhud

8/17 ACE FEATURES LIST

Code:

AI Improvements
AI Talk - (Soldaten is testing)
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Fast Switching -(Gunter is testing)
Grenade Throw Modes
Interaction
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity -(Angus is testing)
NVG 
Stamina - (Gunter is testing)
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment 
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

next tests...

Gunter Testing the following Features:

Code:


Stamina
Fast Switching
addons concerned about:
- ReducedFatigue_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- ReducedWeaponWeight_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- slx_anim_weapontransitions

---------- Post added at 11:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:39 PM ----------

back from testing...

Gunter's Report

Code:

Stamina
Fast Switching
addons concerned about:
- ReducedFatigue_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- ReducedWeaponWeight_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- slx_anim_weapontransitions

Test results:

Code:

- Tested all 4 ways 
COWarMod + ACE
COWarMod 
ACE
COWarModACE + ACE
note:
COWarModACE is the version without the addons

Final results, all tests show no conflicts, bugs, or any changes in gameplay on the ACE end, meaning the addons in question do not effect ACE.

Final decision:

Code:

remove- slx_anim_weapontransitions 
not needed.
Optional- ReducedFatigue_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
 if you want to keep ACE realistic then remove this.
Optional- ReducedWeaponWeight_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
if you want to keep ACE realistic then remove this.

10/17 ACE FEATURES LIST

Code:

AI Improvements
AI Talk - (Soldaten is testing)
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)-(Gunter is testing)
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Fast Switching 
Grenade Throw Modes -(Gunter is testing)
Interaction
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity -(Angus is testing)
NVG 
Stamina 
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment 
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

Gunter Feature's to test:

Code:


Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Grenade Throw Modes
addons that are in concern here:
- ICE_AircraftHUD & files related
- FasterHandGrenadeThrowAnimation_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- slx_anim_grenadethrow

---------- Post added at 01:22 AM ---------- Previous post was Yesterday at 11:46 PM ----------

back from testing...

Gunter's Report

Code:

Features Tested
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Grenade Throw Modes
addons that are in concern here:
- ICE_AircraftHUD & files related
- FasterHandGrenadeThrowAnimation_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- slx_anim_grenadethrow

Test results:

Code:

ICE_AircraftHUD
-The MFD works np in any mode had no conflicts, but its just MFD. 
personal note: i think the ICE_AircraftHUD is more efficient although the ICE_AircraftHUD does also have an MFD, 
but many other features as well, see the Armaholic page on it: http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9067

The ACE version you need to press 3 keys or allocate keys to start it and use it, whereas the ICE_AircraftHUD its setup in the action Menu as MFD.

Grenade Throw Modes
This feature enables you to throw dgrenades in different ways by pressing the following keys ingame when you have grenades selected shift +3
I find this a very useful feature, but found no conflicts in any of the modes.

Notes: Modes- are ways the feature was tested like it was tested COWarMod + ACE, ACE et,.,
- FasterHandGrenadeThrowAnimation_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
- slx_anim_grenadethrow
I did not see any influence of these 2 files/features whatsoever ingame with ACE running as ACE seemed to override them.

Final decision:

Code:

-Optional - either remove ICE_AircraftHUD or remove ace_sys_mfd (Aces MFD) or keep both, Im leaving this up to the user.

- Remove- FasterHandGrenadeThrowAnimation_Gameplay_C_PvPscene &
 slx_anim_grenadethrow files as they do nothing with ACE present.

12/17 ACE FEATURES LIST

Code:

AI Improvements
AI Talk - (Soldaten is testing)
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Fast Switching 
Grenade Throw Modes 
Interaction
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity -(Angus is testing)
NVG 
Stamina 
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment 
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

Files to remove from COWarMod

Code:

to make it compatible with ACE:

Code:

-inko_disposable.pbo
-map_no_sat.pbo
-slx_anim_weapontransitions 
-FasterHandGrenadeThrowAnimation_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
-slx_anim_grenadethrow

Optional files
ReducedFatigue_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
if you want to keep ACE realistic then remove this.

ReducedWeaponWeight_Gameplay_C_PvPscene
if you want to keep ACE realistic then remove this.

either remove ICE_AircraftHUD or remove ace_sys_mfd (Aces MFD) or keep both,
 Im leaving this up to the user.

**soldaten** · Sep 26 2011, 16:06

Features to test:
AI Talk
addons concerned about:
- RUG_DSAI - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6092)
- sar_krik - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10584)
- slx_dialogue - (Fixes missing words and adds larger voice pitch variations

Bluefor speaking spanish or porteguese is a RUG_DSAI discrepancy. other than that I think no serious issues..nothing that breaks the game.

**Günter Severloh** · Sep 26 2011, 23:49

Hey Soldaten,

Did you test COWarModACE + ACE without the addons, to see how the AI talk?

also test these that deal with AI talk:

Radio Discipline
Description:
I was tired of all the "moving", "covering", "Go I cover" messages all over the radio. Thats why I got rid of the messages and changed "target THAT" to "target" and "engage THAT" to "attack" (engage solo was not avaibable) ("contact" got out as well, like "clear")

2 versions: Normal= like told above
extrem= no "Target" Messages
Included .pbo files:
radio_discipline.pbo
radio_discipline_extr.pbo
===============================
===============================
Streamlined Radio
Description:

Gets rid of some radio annoyances and shortens it. Adds other radio features.
Features:
- Removes "that", "to the", "to our", "from us" and some "at" lines.
- Detection reports are now organized by side, unit type, location, and distance. Rather than just random.
- "Man" identification changed to "soldier". Man is still used if unit is unknown or is a civilian
- Added missing "Unknown" voices.
- Added 2 engage lines "fire at", "Attack"
- Added ellipses in detection reports for easier readability
- Unit numbers have been replaced with alphabets. (1 = Alpha, 2 = Bravo, 3 = Charlie...) (SLX)

Included files:
radio_streamlined.pbo
radio_streamlined_text.pbo
radio_streamlined_identify.pbo
radio_streamlined_a2_only.pbo
radio_streamlined_identify_a2_only.pbo

Code:

COWarMod + ACE
COWarMod 
ACE
COWarModACE + ACE
note:
COWarModACE is the version without the addons you'll have to create this, unless you want to do the long 
way and remove the files and then startup your game.

Heres the current List of ACE features already tested,
and still need to be tested:

Code:

12/17 ACE FEATURES LIST
AI Improvements
AI Talk - (Soldaten is testing)
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Fast Switching 
Grenade Throw Modes 
Interaction
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity -(Angus is testing)
NVG 
Stamina 
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment 
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

Notes:

Testing tips:

Testing ACE
1. when you are testing a certain feature of ACE inform yourself on what this feature does
by reviewing the ace wiki feature page for that feature seen here:
ACE Features http://ace.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Features

2. Make sure your game for ACE is setup as some features you need to press certain keys,
or have something configured to see the feature.

Testing COWarMod files
3. When testing addons/mods in COWarMod that are in concern for possible conflicts with Ace's then inform yourself on those features on how they work.
When i assign a feature i will provide a link to a page you can review to get more info about that particular feature.

4. When testing the features of COWarMod like needed above in step 3 you will need to test the feature with the following format:

Test with:
- COWarMod +ACE
- ACE
- COWarMod
- COWarMod + ACE without Addons

TESTING Notes:

For testing the list above, when you test COWarMod + ACE without Addons that means remove the
files from your COWarMod addons folder and then test COWarMod + ACE.

A way you can do this, is to make a complete copy of the @COWarMod and then remove the files,
but give the @COWarMod a number in the name like @COWarMod1 as your already running @COWarMod understand?

EXAMPLE

Code:

So for example when I test I start up COWarMod + ACE, then I
-alt tab (gets me out of the game),
-then Start up ACE,
-alt tab,
-then i startup COWarMod,
-alt tab
-then i start up COWarModACE which is the version
 without the files.

Purpose
Now the reasoning behind having 4 games running at the same time is it saves you time from having to shut
down the game to take out files, or to have to start up an ACE version, or a start up an COWarMod only version.

Next feature I need tested nd this has to be rather thorough in testing as its more
complex then the other features, we will have more testers on this.

I want
Soldaten
Col.
and anyone else whos available,
I will also be testing this too.

Feature to test:

Code:

AI Improvements 
addons that are in concern here:
- ard - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12815
- sys_airearming - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12105
- inf_stealth_recognition- http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9604
- mechinftac.pbo - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13199
- zeu_cfg_core_ai_sensors.pbo - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8250
zeu_cfg_core_ai_skills.pbo
zeu_cfg_core_ai_spotting.pbo
zeu_cfg_core_ai_engagement.pbo

Lastly...

Testing Notes2

Code:

when you are testing you need to understand what we are looking for, questions are as follows to keep in mind:

1. What does the ACE feature do?
2. What does the feature in COWarMod do?
3. when i test with COWarMod and ACE does the ACE feature work or is it overridden, does the CoWarMod feature work or is it overriidden or enhance (add) to the ACE feature?
4. when I test with CoWarModACE (Cowarmod files removed) does ace features work with CoWarMod or are their any conflicts?

Understand? any questions please ask, either ask here in reply, or pm me.

**Angus S** · Sep 27 2011, 01:49

Features Tested
Muzzle Velocity

addons that are in concern are:
- fnc_ballistics_infantry
- fnc_ballistics_launchers
- fnc_ballistics_vehicles
- fnc_muzzlevelocity

Test Results:
-Tested the addons with ACE alone, COWarMod with ACE, and COWarMod alone and found no conflicts
-I found ACE reticles, both scripted and normal, overwrote the fnc reticles and made them unnecessary.
-ACE muzzle velocity and fnc_muzzlevelocity seemed to both be at work, some weapons would use ACE and some would use fnc. I found when using ACE alone however the muzzle velocity was much more accurate to the barrel length then with fnc enabled

---------- Post added at 02:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:24 PM ----------

I hope I tested and set that out right
I'm having a problem though, I can't seem to find anything that explains exactly what the Zeus rocket ballistics addon does

**Günter Severloh** · Sep 27 2011, 12:17

Your test results:

-I found ACE reticles, both scripted and normal, overwrote the fnc reticles and made them unnecessary.
-ACE muzzle velocity and fnc_muzzlevelocity seemed to both be at work, some weapons would use ACE and some would use fnc.
I found when using ACE alone however the muzzle velocity was much more accurate to the barrel length then with fnc enabled

From the results it probably be best to just remove the FNC mod as if as you said ACE feels more accurate then
FNC is really just a redundant mod, basically doing the same thing if not little less.

So..
Test decision:

Code:

Remove- the following files from COWarModACE:
fnc_ballistics_infantry
fnc_ballistics_launchers
fnc_ballistics_vehicles
fnc_muzzlevelocity
fnc_scopes_common_c
fnc_scopes_common_m

COWarModACE

As said above COWarModACE.
Yes for those who want an ACE comaptible version create a new folder and name it @COWarModACE, and then copy
the addosn folder from @COWarMod into the COWarModACE folder and then remove the files listed.

Angus S said

I'm having a problem though, I can't seem to find anything that explains exactly what
the Zeus rocket ballistics addon does

I haven't found anything myself, so what you do in this situation is you'll need to test the
OA/CO rocket ballistics
zeu_OA_c_RocketBallistics.pbo
zeu_OA_c_RocketBallistics.pbo.ZEU.bisign
alone to see what they do, test on the weapons mission and then create a small mission with you
and a squad attacking enemy AI that have mostly rpgs and see what kind of results you get.

then...

do the same with just ACE itself.

this should give you an idea on what these files do.

any questions let me know here, or through pm.

**soldaten** · Sep 27 2011, 17:45

[QUOTE=Hey Soldaten,

Did you test COWarModACE + ACE without the addons, to see how the AI talk?

also test these that deal with AI talk:
QUOTE]

yes Gunter, I did and COWarModACE adds more AI talk features, but did not find any issues that may break the game.

Gunther:

While testing I found out the following.

AR mod needs to be removed. too many conflicts.
The accuracy with Warmod is deadly, while with ACE only is normal. not sure what can cause this.
Bug when launching rpgs with Warmod and with grenade sights.

slow week in my college and work, Im available for testing for this week.

**Günter Severloh** · Sep 27 2011, 21:44

Ok, couple of things

when posting and using quotes, highlight what you want to quote and hit the quote button.

for the testing stick with the format,
one feature at a time til one is resolved. for now the AI talk I'll go with what you found :

So for your report:

Soldaten's Report

Code:

AI Talk
addons concerned about:
- RUG_DSAI - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6092)
- sar_krik - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10584)
- slx_dialogue - (Fixes missing words and adds larger voice pitch variations)
-radio_discipline.pbo
-radio_discipline_extr.pbo
-radio_streamlined.pbo
-radio_streamlined_text.pbo
-radio_streamlined_identify.pbo

Test results:

I did and COWarModACE adds more AI talk features, but did not find any issues that may break the game.

Final decision:

Code:

Keep/optional
 RUG_DSAI - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6092)
- sar_krik - (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10584)
- slx_dialogue - (Fixes missing words and adds larger voice pitch variations)
-radio_discipline.pbo
-radio_discipline_extr.pbo
-radio_streamlined.pbo
-radio_streamlined_text.pbo
-radio_streamlined_identify.pbo

let the user decide if they want this feature 
or not but it adds to the game if you want that.

Updated List
14/16 ACE FEATURES LIST

Code:

AI Improvements - (Team is testing this)
AI Talk 
Aircraft Multi Function Display (MFD)
Blood Trails 
Disposable Weapons
Fast Switching 
Grenade Throw Modes 
Map Tools Set
Muzzle Velocity 
NVG 
Stamina 
Rocket Ballistics -(Angus is testing)
Sights Adjustment 
Smoke Grenades
Stepped zoom and optic modes in weapon stations 
Wounding System

Ok Soldaten this is our big feature we have to test:

Feature to test:

Code:

AI Improvements 
addons that are in concern here:
- ard - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12815
- sys_airearming - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12105
- inf_stealth_recognition- http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9604
- mechinftac.pbo - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13199
- zeu_cfg_core_ai_sensors.pbo - http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8250
zeu_cfg_core_ai_skills.pbo
zeu_cfg_core_ai_spotting.pbo
zeu_cfg_core_ai_engagement.pbo

Lastly...

Testing Notes2

Code:

when you are testing you need to understand what we are looking for, questions are as follows to keep in mind:

1. What does the ACE feature do?
2. What does the feature in COWarMod do?
3. when i test with COWarMod and ACE does the ACE feature work or is it overridden, does the CoWarMod feature work or is it overriidden or enhance (add) to the ACE feature?
4. when I test with CoWarModACE (Cowarmod files removed) does ace features work with CoWarMod or are their any conflicts?

Soldaten said
While testing I found out the following.

AR mod needs to be removed. too many conflicts.
The accuracy with Warmod is deadly, while with ACE only is normal. not sure what can cause this.
Bug when launching rpgs with Warmod and with grenade sights.

you mean ASR?
need to list what pbos, and files you are testing
the ones I listed above are the ones in concern.
The AI mod for ASR AI only effects rearming, the other part to that mod which is AI skill I had removed in v 1.1 of CoWarMod as Zues adds skill.

For the AI accuracy I already know about this one, this one I' am still trying to understand what causes this for CoWarMod alone.

Bug when launching rpgs with Warmod and with grenade sights.

What bug did you encounter or what is happening? and this is running CoWarMod + ACE correct?
details my friend, lets tackle the rpg bug first if it is one then go to the AI accuracy as that is a big one.

any questions please ask, either ask here in reply, or pm me.

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