A new dimension: inside vehicles&planes - optics

[Herbal Influence]

I would like BIS to stay and be ahead of other gamemakers.

Therefore I recommend to entertain the thought of blurrying and thinning out windowframes etc. that hinder the sight when within a vehicle/plane. This would give a far more realistic view. The trigger should be the focus point of the gamer: If he focusses on the instruments these should be shown sharp. When focussing on the horizon the frames of windows etc. (all inside objects) should blurr and also (!) thin out, especially hindering frames of windows.

The human brain exactly does that: blurr and thin out hindrances of sight.
And it does that automatically when you focus on far away things instead of focussing on the instruments in front of you.

At the moment BIS does simply show sharpened and detailed both levels: the faraway sight and the close-by things.

http://vimeo.com/4346695

In reality noone would use such a vehicle/plane for it would be much to much narrowing the natural view. In other words and for example: The frames of a window are in fact and reality quite not at all any more visible if they are blurred because the eyes focus on something far away.

[metalcraze]

I'm actually glad DOF was cut out in AA2 (what you want was there in AA1)

DOF is a terrible terrible effect since your brain should blur things, not things get blurred on the screen while you still focus on that blur with your own eyes - which causes a headache

[Herbal Influence]

Mmmm ... thanx for the info.
I played AA1 but didn't realize ...
But nowadays I feel caged in a vehic/plane behind thick frames ... mmm ... maybe it's psychological ... as I also hate No-third-view ... ;-)

I found this now:
http://forums.bistudio.com/showthrea...ew#post1361864

And I sure hate postprocessing-effects-headaches a lot.

So what remains is: very little blurr but a lot of "thinning out" the width of the optical hindrances just to simulate what the brain does naturally.

Another example: I have here a blind (or "jalousie") at my window consisting of gills:



If I look AT it I do see the gills.

If I look THROUGH it I don't "see" the gills.

The same should automatically "happen" by defocussing from the instruments board in front of you in a vehic/plane/chopper. To a LARGE extent - then it would really be realistic.

We HAVE a very intensively compensating "brain-view" on things ... mmm ... at last I do .. ;-)

[Celery]

"simulate what the brain does naturally."

That pretty much says it all. The game can't know where you're looking, and because you can't clearly see more than the immediate surroundings of the point you're looking at, a blur effect doesn't matter until it tries to be smart and guesses wrong where you want to look.

[PuFu]

"simulate what the brain does naturally."

That pretty much says it all. The game can't know where you're looking, and because you can't clearly see more than the immediate surroundings of the point you're looking at, a blur effect doesn't matter until it tries to be smart and guesses wrong where you want to look.

+1. I hate when a game blurs things for me. I mean that happens anyway, depending on what i am focusing on screen.

[Herbal Influence]

Ok, as I already stated, I hate blurss that cause headaches when using postprocessing in my first attempts to play AA2 too. I switched it off and headaches were gone.

But nevertheless the optical-caged-in-effect is a serious immersionkiller for me.
So, as already stated it should be quite a sharp thin-out effect of everything that's in the way of the actual focus.

The latter, the actual focus, can be "realized" by the program by the mouse position?

[jagheterjan]

I see how that could work when used alongside a dedicated head- or eye-tracking instrument, but not by just guessimating the focus from the mouse cursor's position. More than often, you don't want to use the mouse to command the game's focus on the z-plane, but do something useful with it. Like dragging a RCWS's aim reticle over your target or just steer the vehicle/your ingame avatar...

[Celery]

But nevertheless the optical-caged-in-effect is a serious immersionkiller for me.
So, as already stated it should be quite a sharp thin-out effect of everything that's in the way of the actual focus.

The latter, the actual focus, can be "realized" by the program by the mouse position?

And what happens when you want to look in the blurred areas?

[Max Power]

So what you want is essentially a transparent cockpit? No thanks.

And what's with all these feature requests ending in 'this is serious immersion killer for me'. I can understand that people are creative and they are suggesting ways to improve the game in their eyes... but am I the only one left on the planet with an imagination robust enough to get 'into' a game that has window frames in the cockpits? FFS.

[NoRailgunner]

Guess you would need an extra device + tools which constantly analyze players view/eyesight and port these information as fast as possible into the game world. There it should be all translated and calculated with players avatars eye.... within nanoseconds?
Many game designers try to copy human eyes but fail as soon as they bring in some sort of camera/film or "immersive" effects.