Steamworks, add it in or not?

[Zipper5]

I wouldn't want Steamworks integration, personally. The fact that even retail DVD versions require the game to be installed via, and activated in, Steam is ridiculous, and I learned my lesson after I bought my hard copy of FEAR 2.

[lwlooz]

Oh my god,

Either you people are everywhere with a more brainwashed fundamentalism than scientology and jehova's witnesses combined ,
or Valve has programmed the most advanced spambots in history of mankind.

Steamworks offers nothing to customers. N-o-t-h-i-n-g.
It may be neat for some developers and is most certainly neat for Valve.

But stop being delusional fanboys and think it adds anything to any game.
And no , I am not interested in hearing your standard robot copy&paste replies why you think it is awesome and I am a luddite.

It's like an Zombie Apocalypse. Everywhere you go you have these Steamagers wanting to turn their PC into consoles. *Sigh*

[Big Dawg KS]

Either you people are everywhere with a more brainwashed fundamentalism than scientology and jehova's witnesses combined

Aren't you confusing the two sides here? I haven't seen any good objections to Steamworks that didn't seem like fundamentalism (including your post, which has no hard factual reasons for objection). In fact, I've seen more copy/past replies from the objectors (ex: Steam breaks/messes up mods, which is completely untrue).

Also, I agree that the benefits of Steamworks to the customers are not very obvious, but it would allow BIS to better integrate the game with Steam and fix all of the issues that people are always compaining about in the first place. Still, I believe that integration of Steamworks can do nothing but overall improve the ArmA series.

[Demonized]

I say it again, HELL NO to any form of steam relations for Arma3!!

BIS should imo step completely away from Steam, and rely solely on hardcopys and sprocket ,wich is an fantastic, fully working, bug free service compared to steam.
Sprocket works perfectly, download, alternatively also save download to a burned Dvd, or redownload again if needed anytime.
That would give BIS developers more time to work on game issues, instead of having to spread it out on game issues, and game issues for steam.

1 other reason, is steams capitalism and suffocating market beheaviour, no small companys are given any fair chance of surviving or getting started.
Steam is somewhat what MS had reputation for in the past, monopolising the market, and putting in physical blocks to circumvent such monoploism.
"monopolizing or whatever its called..."

But just the issues with steam in any way regarding armas open user edited beheaviour should be enough for anyone to reject steam.
How many threads and issues have not been reported in the past on steam related stuff wich Dvd or sprocket users never had?
Answer: many many...
How much time have been spent on fixing steam issues instead of working on AI or game bugs....

If someone now comes with a comment about "steam offers a huge arena for sales", yeah thats true, but its also closed off from the rest, furthering the monopoly of steam.
Noone wants just one person to decide prices on games, we want fair competition in the world, keeping prices real.
There are other marketing posibilitys.

[neokika]

1 other reason, is steams capitalism and suffocating market beheaviour, no small companys are given any fair chance of surviving or getting started.
Steam is somewhat what MS had reputation for in the past, monopolising the market, and putting in physical blocks to circumvent such monoploism.
"monopolizing or whatever its called..."

Oh my,

I believe you got it a bit wrong, Steam is actually one of the best places independent developers can put their work with much more marketing and profits.

_neo_

[NoRailgunner]

Nice...

I got this info off from Steamworks main page.

Oh look - some advertising on their own site...

Still, I believe that integration of Steamworks can do nothing but overall improve the ArmA series.

...is it rhetoric or did you just watched too many political discussions?

[JDMT]

These features are for Arcade like games. I can't imagine any ArmA III player wanting to automatically go into a match like a console. Or have a spray. Achievements are a waste of time for a game like this.

I use Steam on a daily basis, I just believe ArmA III should stay as far away from it as possible.

[Demonized]

Oh my,

I believe you got it a bit wrong, Steam is actually one of the best places independent developers can put their work with much more marketing and profits.

_neo_

what i meant was in regards to monopolize the sales market, meaning only steam can eventually sell games...

Maybe its great for independent developers, but for the customers its bad.
Customers, thats us.

[Enad]

@demonized- You gotta be kidding, some Indie devs wouldn't be ANYWHERE without Steam.
Steam is the best thing that's happened to alot of indie devs including the Tripwire Team.

Steam is also great for it's customers, it's easy and fast. I can't think of anything bad about it besides downloading takes longer than having a disk, but hell if you have a decent internet connection it's fine.


@JDMT- It's not automatically going into a server like a console, I'm sure you've played other valve games and when you want to join a friend just click the arrow next to their name and click Join Game and you're in, it simplifies things alot and would make it easier for everyone, not to mention alot more accessible for new comers.

[Celery]

Steam is also great for it's customers, it's easy and fast.

Only as long as they are using Steam voluntarily. Steamworks makes using Steam very non-voluntary.