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    Post Nuclear Wars and Aftermath

    This forum seems to be sorely lacking in nuclear war-related threads, so I'm going to start one.

    How much of humanity could survive a nuclear conflict? I've been doing some research, and scientists and military strategists don't seem to have come to an agreement. Depending on the size of the conflict, blast effects, gamma rays, radioactive isotopes, and radioactive dust could kill billions of people and cause first-world society to collapse.

    However, "nuclear winter" may be the most dangerous effect of nuclear war. Recent research from scientists Alan Robock and Owen Toon suggests that even a regional nuclear war, such as one between India and Pakistan, could wreak havoc worldwide.

    According to this research, the explosions would stoke massive firestorms, pumping 5 million tons of smoke into the atmosphere. The soot would absorb much sunlight over the entire world. Average global temperatures would drop by about 1.25*C, crops would fail, and famine and starvation would ensue. The climate might not recover for a decade or more.

    All in all, according to Toon and Robock's January 2010 Scientific American article,

    "1 billion people worldwide with marginal food supplies today could die of starvation because of ensuing agricultural collapse." (emphasis in original)

    To support their theory, they cite analogies from volcanic eruptions such as 1815's Tambora eruption, which resulted in the "Year without a Summer." Freak frosts caused crop failures all over the world. Imagine what would happen if summer did not occur for 10 years.

    This research, published in Science magazine (link) and other reputable scientific journals, does not seem to have been challenged. On the other hand, interest in nuclear war is not what it was during the Cold War, when the most research was done on this topic. Cynics will sense a political motive behind Robock & Toon's research, since they are using it to promote total nuclear disarmament.

    Thoughts?

    EDIT: I originally wrote that the nuclear exchange would purportedly cause "....a shroud of 5 million tons of dust and smoke." However, the research by Robock et al focuses almost exclusively on smoke effects. Nuclear war would purportedly create massive firestorms in megacities such as the population centers of India and Pakistan. It is the smoke from these fires that would cause nuclear winter effects.
    Last edited by RKDmitriyev; Mar 9 2011 at 20:58.

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    Enormous cockroaches that glow in the dark!
    And murlocs emerging from nuclear shelters in a hundred years time to steal our women.
    And Triffids.


    I tend to think on a more serious note of the examples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    That it won't take anything like as long as the nightmare scenario's predict to recover.

    Crops will still grow, the sites of our cities will still be natural choices for human colonisation.
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    Don't you forget about the headcrabs!

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    First Lieutenant Tonci87's Avatar
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    Yeah Baff, but remember that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were really small compared to what we have today

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    http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1...sao-hashimoto/

    This video gives a good idea about how much the world has been nuked already. No headcrabs, no super mutants, no bottle caps.

    Oh, and no super dust clouds blocking the sun for a thousand years.
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    Wow, I didn´t know that there were so many of them. But those were mainly underground or underwater tests, no dust kicked up.
    America really likes to blow shit up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celery View Post
    No headcrabs, no super mutants, no bottle caps.

    Oh, and no super dust clouds blocking the sun for a thousand years.
    Are you telling me Gojira was fake?

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    Great link, thanks for sharing. Reminds me of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

    Wow, I didn´t know that there were so many of them. But those were mainly underground or underwater tests, no dust kicked up.
    Yeah, that. Or high-atmospheric tests. Furthermore, the big culprit in "nuclear winter" would be the smoke and soot from burning cities. Article by Robock:

    http://www.eoearth.org/article/Nuclear_winter

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    Yes, it is safe to say that the USA is the most nuked nation in the world!
    Maybe thats why the USA citizens have such a low lifespan exspectation compared to other industrialized northern hemisphere nations.

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    Who knows.....

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