An experiment i was thinking of

[sn1per]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ May 14 2002,09:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, the M4 SOPMOD (Special Operations Peculier Modifications) is capable of accepting a silencer, so since 3 people would be carrying them, you could easily use them for silent take downs if the situation called for it. a 5.56 round would be a hell of a lot better than a 9mm round in any outdoor situation.

And my experiment wouldnt be limited by ammo, it would be limited by life. I was thinking about how far you could push a squad of this kind before they were gone, not before they were out of ammo, so changing the ammo typed wouldnt be necissary. They&#39;d have all they needed.

And yeah, i meant to say the Demo guys would be carrying AT4&#39;s. Sorry, i&#39;ll go change that.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Wouldn&#39;t the AT-4 be a bit too powerful and too heavy? I&#39;d give the squad something like this:
AN-94 + GP25
SAW/Minimi
SVD, Barret
RPG-18 aka Mukha - Disposable version
RPG-22 - Disposable version

The tanks did not have that reactive armor or anything, so they would be quite vulnerable to basic hollow charges in RPG (or western equivalent) And mukha can be used against bunkers and fortifications.

I Guess one infantry battalion with modern fighting technology could have done a lot in WW2 ***

[Aculaud]

well, the AT4 weighs 15 pounds if that means anything. properly balanced on an ALICE pack or a ruck sack, and i wouldnt think it&#39;d be TOO much trouble. Especially since the squad consists of 12 guys, so others with less kit could carry some of your equipment in a pinch.

I may be wrong about this, so correct me if so, but in tom clancy&#39;s ghost recon it was also re-loadable which means the two guys that carry them in my hypathetical squad could easily take out a whole squad of tanks with support from everyone else.

[Oligo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ May 14 2002,02:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, saving private ryan was on my mind when i thought of this. That last scene where they hold the bridge, i saw a gross amount of anti-tank capabilities missing. That could have really been helped by even a couple AT4&#39;s, which would be where the demo guys come in. If they had taken out the tanks, they would have had a HUGE leg up. Jackson would have survived, and probably taken out a hell of a lot more infantry than he did, captain miller wouldnt have died, cause he wouldnt have gotten shell shocked by the tank round that hit the alamo towards the final stages of that battle, etc.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well, the ending battle of Saving Private Ryan is not the epithome of realism anyway. I don&#39;t think ze germans had any more tendencies to run mindlessly into slaughter, than the average G.I. Joe. Unfortunately that is what they do in the movie.

The tigers weren&#39;t really that sucky.

[Aculaud]

well, two things you must consider.

One, they ran mindlessly into slaughter and nearly won.

Two, did they really know what they were going into? I mean, the infantry was huddled down low behind the armor as if trouble could be right around the corner, but you have take into account weather or not they actually knew the numbers of forces involved in the ambush or weather or not they even knew if one was coming.

I did an experiment one time in OFP where i placed three guys, a soldier with an XMS, a machine gunner and a sniper on this liitle hillside with an advancing squad of 12 enemy soldiers. Every enemy got killed, while the three guys didnt take a single hit, and i didnt help at all. this just goes to show that inferior numbers can easily overcome if positioned correctly with the right weapons and skills to back them up. this is one thing i had in mind while thinking about all this.

[Oligo]

"Two, did they really know what they were going into? I mean, the infantry was huddled down low behind the armor as if trouble could be right around the corner, but you have take into account weather or not they actually knew the numbers of forces involved in the ambush or weather or not they even knew if one was coming."

The germans had plenty of city fighting experience. Does Stalingrad ring a bell? Nevertheless, I&#39;m not talking about the surprise factor and all that. I&#39;m talking about the germans seeing tens of their pals being blown away by snipers and bombs and whatnot and the morons still stayed in the streets, running over the bodies of their comrades. Do you really think that they would not have entered the ruined buildings and advanced in the cover provided by them?

Furthermore, unless the german commander was a moron, tanks would never advance in cities without being completely covered by infantry. Which means that the infantry goes in first and looks into every nook and cranny, looking for that lone dupe with the bazooka.

And my last point. Tanks have machine guns. You can even see that in the movie. But for some reason, the german commander had issued orders that they should not be used. Just look carefully, the machine guns never fire. Considering that they are the main anti-infantry weapons of tanks... you catch my drift.

[LauryThorn]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just look carefully, the machine guns never fire[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, you don&#39;t have to look very carefully.
That thing really annoyed me, good that someone else
noticed that, too.
I think that it&#39;s just one of the many mistakes in that movie..

[Badgerboy]

Don&#39;t forget, Hollywood doesn&#39;t have the best track record for realism in its films. They are produced for entertainment value only. And if that means making all the Axis forces mindless drones so be it. (My god Chuck, the&#39;re firing flaming babies at our wounded&#33; Cue slow motion, patriotic music, as single soldier slots 30+ enemy soldiers, and stands triumphant as their black evil blood pours out.

Pretty strange considering the US effort on D Day was achieved mainly by the sheer amount of troops poured in. Most of them were green, and hadn&#39;t seen any action yet (With a few notable exceptions) and were torn to pieces by some of the hardened German Units. Of course after that the Darwinian effect comes in and the ones that don&#39;t learn from the experience are either dead or going to die.

[Antichrist]

I say don&#39;t use them in open field&#33; Just drop them deep into enemy territory where they can do some real damage&#33; Use the squad only for SpecOps (assassinations of enemy generals, blowing up bridges and echelons etc. well pretty much use them as guerilla fighters) This way they will last way longer&#33;