... Speak out to defend yourself and your work you get insulted and attacked on all sides by anyone and everyone. Including on several occasions people with moderator powers. It's not really a nice atmosphere to work in and it's not an easy one to get help in.
People really should just talk to each other before ripping into other people's work. If they did, maybe they would actually make some friends. Some basic manners and courtesy wouldn't hurt.
I know more than a few people that have left the BIS community for "underground" and far more supportive groups and boards. The problem has always been less about what "BIS needs to do for us" and more about what we should be doing for ourselves. So far there is a lot of talk but little or no action. Some websites were touted early on as havens of free knowledge but most either died off from lack of support or devolved into "little empires".
I know a lot of people that spend a huge amount of time helping others. I spend about 8 hours a week on average writing PM's and emails. Its seriously cut into my own modding time but I rather like the fact i now have friends from all over the world as a result.
So, yes Nodnit I agree with you but not about who is the cause. You need to widen the scope a bit to include all those who are too quick to judge and too fond of shit stirring. Everyone here needs to grow up and learn some manners and courtesy.
You never know it might just make it a nicer world all over :P
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One of the hardest things to do here is get established as a new mod. The old Brsseb tutorials is how i had to start. Alot of that basic knowledge ahs been lost. Especially when the kiddies around here expect everything to be of extreme master quality and want it released today.
The flip side of that is sometimes people just expect thigns to get done for them and do not put in the effort to gain the knowledge and skill to do it themselves. This promotes the dying off of modding and the difficulty of keeping up witht he advancing game.
It took alot of reaching out and contacting established mods such as Rock's, FFAAmod, and vilas. In time you have to make those connections to learn things from your friends. Simply posting it all in a site or biki does nothing to promote the community or sharing of knowledge.
Conversation is a lost art ont he world today. With more of it this would be a much more vivid and better community.
The other major difficulty is breaking into some of the established cliques here. Sometimes people just dont want to let the new guy in.
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Well said NodUnit.
I remember when I started modding (I still don't mod for A2, because I really lack a PC for even playing the game, instead playing in a friend's PC, but I really like low poly modding ). Just some simple reskins of a weapon for a somewhat popular game. Really simple if I think about it now, but at the time (what, more than half a decade ago?) it was a real pain to get things working. Using the Command Prompt to change the textures (made putting some camo on the original texture) and changing all the entries to match the 'new' weapons took me eternally to learn. It's a steep curve. While I never 'copied' other's work (actually, it was not possible to use other's models, because the modeling sofhware lacked import features for the supported format) for unauthorized distribuition, I did use their work as a base on how it's done (things simple, like using their configs as a start so I can make things right). It helped me a lot.
It's nice to see people allowing others 'take a peek' at their creation, so the others are able to create for themselves
Also, support and construtive criticism are likely to help the starters, but on the other hand a demanding community can turn them away.
Above everything, we must respect the modders (newcomers and veterans) creations, because almost everyone use addons to enhance their experience or for any other use they may have, but they are still free. Modder get rewarded with respect and recognition from their community
PS.: Sorry for any mistake I might have made. Any issue, I may retify the text if it's mistakenly written.
It was clear to me that you use this chance for another of your rant posts. But saying the moderators here insulted you is definitely crossing the border.
If other users insult you, there is the report to moderator button. If you don't use it - your problem, but then come in here and complain about it.
This is just an FYI, if you had some free time to look. Also, not here to discuss how the forum is moderated, I'm just answering your question.
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I will not be taking part in the contest, but I support it 100%! Great idea, BIS!
We've had this discussion before Wolle about expectation of impartiality and courtesy/manners from moderators before.
And before you try to make this about me. Its not. Just as I said from day one its a wider community issue and comment on the current forum culture. But as always some people are intent on making something out of my post that it is not.
Placing the blame at the feet of a small few is wrong.
I've said my piece.
@Abs Thank you for chipping in.
@Abs EDIT 2 the Orignal RKSL thread was heavily edited removing all the posts.
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No. In worst case you would have got your first infraction ever. But surely not a ban.Now there you go. If I had posted names and proof I would have been banned wouldn't I.
Ah yes that old story of zipper5 abusing his moderator powers and making whole threads disappear to cover his actions.
Really that old story made up in an attempt to get him removed gets boring by now. But at least you won and he's no moderator now.
I'm pretty sure that back then I told you that our actions are logged and there was not even the slightest hint in them that he permanently removed threads or posts, something he couldn't do anyway.
That thread you are referring to was cleaned up by Placebo. And not to cover zipper5 but because it ended up in a complete heated off-topic mess. The posts are still there though and I'm absolutely sure Placebo would never allow us to insult you or anyone else here.
At best you could say his (zipper5) comments were inappropriate, and he maybe should have marked them as personal opinion.
However, it should be clear by now that we take part in discussions as part of the community and not as moderators. At least to someone that long around as you it should be clear. But you just can't let go, that is your problem. You just must dig out that old story again and again at every chance you get. Would you make such a fuss about it when he wouldn't have been moderator back then? Most probably not.
If you don't like the fact that we Moderators taking part of forum discussions as part of the community then I'm afraid you have to move on because as long as there is no official order to stop this, we will continue as we did in the past ten years.
If you feel offended by anyones posts you can complain at Placebo. He then will look into the issue and take actions where necessary. But in your eyes this probably would be pointless as he's also part of the plot...
Nice attempt to denigrate me and make out to be some sort of conspiracy nut. It's this kind of response that I was referring to. Impolite. Insulting in vary degrees of subtlety. I have reported various offensive posts in past. You and i even discussed them on Skype.
For the record I don't see a conspiracy. Just personal bias. Which is sad.
You know what also is hurting the community? Going wildly off-topic.