Aliens vs Predator

[IceBreakr]

My g/f bought me this game as a pre-order, I got a confirmation today that it got shipped out. So I'll be getting (PC version of course) it around Friday/Saturday when the official release is.

I have high hopes, but reviews are a big mix (like with A2), gamespot giving it 5.5, IGN 8.5, independent reviewers from 2-10 :)

I'm a big aliens and predator fan, so I guess my review won't be fair heh. I'll try it out with my team to take a bit of a brake from the community work ;)

[vilas]

super, i hope you will have much fun and tell us about it
i loved AVP 1 , less AVP2 (landscape was super, but USCM not and atmosphere not)
super , have a nice fun in this
also there is a new RTCW as i heard , RTCW was something unique and very very atmospheric, played 1000 times :D
AVP1, IGI1, RTCW1, MaxPayne1 (and OFP of course) - the best games in my opinion

[Bulldogs]

I played the multiplayer demo, and it's fun (about the same as the first AvP), but the one thing that concerns me is that there is no duck, run or aim down sights (iron-sights) keys. It works for the multiplayer because that's why the original multiplayer was so good, because it was tense, yet simplistic.

I just hope that they don't simplify the singleplayer as well.

One thing I got from reading the reviews though is that they seem to give fairly average scores but most say it's basically a remake. Apparently if you played the first game then there's no surprises. That's actually one of the selling points for me, because I loved the first game (and the second was even better)

[Gabe_Ruckus]

I thought this was out? Amazon had it streeted for today, and I just bought a copy down at the strip mall.

[Aeneas2020]

installing as we speak!

[CameronMcDonald]

I'm looking forward to it, but FFS I wish they'd make something where the Marines aren't just goddamn cannon fodder and the Marine campaign isn't just:

"Well here we are on this planet and-

OHSHI you're alone. Forever. Enjoy."

Some squad-control-esque kind of thing would be awesome. When's that damned never-to-be-released Colonial Marines game coming out? :(

[Bulldogs]

Yeah, that'd rock

Although I loved AvP2 for the marine missions. More aptly, for that first mission. It was the first game in a long time where I think my heart stopped. Had the gamma right down and couldn't see anything but what the flashlight shone on. Then seeing a silhouette of a Predator for a second then hearing the *wick-oosh* of the Pred's weap and thinking "bugger this", then running for my life.

[BangTail]

Project IGI

Class mate, pure class :)

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Yeah, that'd rock

Although I loved AvP2 for the marine missions. More aptly, for that first mission. It was the first game in a long time where I think my heart stopped. Had the gamma right down and couldn't see anything but what the flashlight shone on. Then seeing a silhouette of a Predator for a second then hearing the *wick-oosh* of the Pred's weap and thinking "bugger this", then running for my life.

I know it's done for the sake of Balance but the Predator is too visible when cloaked IMHO, was the same in AVPs 1 and 2.

The reason I bring it up, despite the balance argument, is because I dont remember a sole Alien taking out multiple Predators either ;)

[Aeneas2020]

everytime i try and load into game it just freezes up...updating gfx card drivers now, if that doesnt work i guess ill reinstall. Enad's had it crash on him 12...not a great 1st impression

[BangTail]

everytime i try and load into game it just freezes up...updating gfx card drivers now, if that doesnt work i guess ill reinstall. Enad's had it crash on him 12...not a great 1st impression

Hope you get it working mate. I'm downloading off Steam now, I guess they released early :)

[Shadow.D. ^BOB^]

You say your downloading the full version off steam now??

Mine still says not released....

So far i'm impressed with some aspects of the demo, the atmosphere/lighting and especially the sounds (pulse rifle is just :yay::yay:). The complete chaos of the deathmatch tho is stupid. Lets hope the other modes are good. I have to admit, that although naughty me and a couple of friends have been playing as marines and working together. Its so much fun especially if there is only you playing as marines.

I tell you what, you cant slaughter them so easyily when moving in a squad. Thats why i cant wait for other modes, and especially the coop horde mode.

I'm off to go and watch Aliens, get me in the mood...

[Drew]

This game is very fun, multiplayer kind of blows atm (no dedicated servers, but they will be patching them in with-in the month :) , you can still play online tho in ranked matches asuming the host doesnt have shit for a connection; the game modes are VERY fun), but single player is also really fun, (each species has their own campaign and it really submerses you into the mind set of a Marine, alien & predator.) it reminds me of playing Doom 3 for the first time. Definite keeper if your a fan of the movies or you like the whole "Scared-of-the-dark" feeling :D

[IceBreakr]

Game got released yesterday, even in walmarts etc.
In Slovenia we got PS3, X360 and PC versions and we're already selling them. I'm still awaiting mine to arrive (UK, as a gift).

Did you guys see the DX11 shots?
http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5693&start=400

[Baff1]

I saw the advert on TV last night.
The sound effects were all they should be the graphics looked poor and un-menacing.

Hopefully the gameplay will be on par with the orginal title.

I will be getting this title for PC on the offchance.



Sucks that it's a Steam game. I hope it won't be acount bound if I buy it in a shop.

[IceBreakr]

Comparision:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8264/1265295893967.jpg

[Aeneas2020]

yeh i got mine off steam they released at like 3pm eastern time yesterday. They seemed to have a lot of problems with the downloads on some forums ive read some people said it took like 12 hours to download on a fast connection. I have almost all my games on steam and it was the slowest download i've ever had.

On top of this i found out what my problem was...when i ran it, it was running in dx11 mode as default, even when i was telling it to run in dx9 mode (NO Dx10 wtf?!?) so every time i tried to load into game it would crash as obv my GTX 275 doesn't support DX11. The annoying thing is the game forces itself into dx11 mode by default. If someone who is less computer savvy than most of the people on this forum (i.e. any casual steam user) then they would not have known what the problem was because the only way i found out was checking which .exe version was actually being run at program start up...seems like a stupid idea which will probably need to be fixed with a patch.

and before anyone points this out yes i am aware that when you start avp it asks if you would like to run in dx11 or dx9 mode (or just run it) the problem i had was that it was defaulting to dx11 mode no matter which option i checked. I imagine there is something wrong with their hardware detection in the game.

either way i played it for a grand total of 1 minute last night before getting too tired and going to bed. I hope i have better luck tonight.

[Bulldogs]

Mine's released on Steam, it also says it's around 15gb download and my monthly quota has 10gb left for another week.

EDIT : Hmm.. something odd there. It said available now and 15gb this morning, now it says unavailable (unlocks on the 20th) and download is 4.5gb... odd.

[Barely-injured]

I liked the demo despite some issues. I will try to get it soon for the sake of the good old days at least.

I don't get these reviews about this game. They say for example that the gameplay is nothing new or revolutionary which is fair enough, but then they seem to point out that the likes of Halo and Modern Warfare are better shooters out there...! How so ? :icon_bash:

[Heatseeker]

The demo sucked, gameplay too consolish.
Game doesnt have much of an aliens atmosphere either.. ACM should be much better :) .

[da12thMonkey]

Aliens was on TV over here in the UK (just finished on Film 4).

They aired a trailer for the new AvP game that lasted the entire duration of the first ad break. That's some pretty impressive marketing.

[kdjac]

One review slated the beep beep of the Marine as a bad thing :confused:


Its averaging 7/10 and lets be honest Rebellions track record isnt great in the last few years. *fingers crossed its good*

[Pathy]

The Motion Tracker beep *is* all wrong (first thing I noticed as a marine :) ) Too high pitched I think (compared to the films).

[Whiskey_Tango]

its fun and sucks at the same time, i dont quite know what to make of it...

[Clavicula_nox4817]

Is there a single player demo?

[Aeneas2020]

yes on steam

[BangTail]

its fun and sucks at the same time, i dont quite know what to make of it...

I'm not overly impressed with it.

The SP campaigns take about an hour each and their are only 6 maps (plus 2 survivor maps) in MP.

IIRC, the Marine campaign in the original was ~7-10 hours (as were the others).

I can only imagine the board meetings -

Suit 1 - How can we milk the consumer this month?

Suit 2 - Let's release a game, based on a successful Franchise!

Suit 1 - How about Alien vs Predator?

Suit 2 - Brilliant idea.

Suit 1 - Now, forget about being creative or anything like that. How can we develop this game using the smallest amount of money possible.

Suit 2 - Let's use the formula they used in the first two games but lets downsize everything because people don't want to be playing for more than an hour or so.

Suit 1 - Excellent. So we'll have the 3 campaigns (that used to be several hours each but now we'll make them an hour each). Gamer's will be amazed that we can fit better technology into a smaller timeframe. Isn't science amazing?

Suit 2 - Yes, and another thing we can do that always makes money is talk and talk about multiplayer. Again, nothing new or creative, just the same tired shit repackaged so we can tack another $20.00 onto the MSRP.

Suit 1 - Another brilliant idea and let's also offer worthless preorder incentives because that always encourages the suckers gamers to get their wallets out.

Suit 2 - What about a story for the single player game?

Suit 1 - What about it?

Suit 2 - Well, we have to have something, don't we?

Suit 1 - Well, lets take parts of that shitty Paul Anderson project and mix it in with some other fluff and bob's your sister's brother.

Suit 2 - I'm going to the Porsche dealership.

[Aeneas2020]

I would imagine the word DLC pops up on the menu so much it won't be long before new multiplayer maps, sp missions and skins crop up for $5 a peice...it almost seems like they developed this and then cut it into peices to sell later. I'm having fun with the pred campaign but it just seems very much on the AVP "lite" side of things.

I miss the days when devs used to take your $30-$50 and say ok well you bought a product from us now i'm going to give you 2-3 years of service, patches and free stuff for it (BIS and Valve are great examples). AVP is broken...there is no DX10 mode?!?!? wtf and everyone i have talked to about it on steam is crashing out once every 15-20 mins. I haven't had that many crashes in sp but then again im playing in dx9 mode so i dunno.

EA and the sims really screwed over the PC gaming market for everyone but coming up with a lot of this mini expansion stuff for small amounts of money. All it means in a lot of cases, under it's new guise of DLC, is that we pay money for stuff the devs would have given us for free 5 years ago anyway.

[Whiskey_Tango]

I would imagine the word DLC pops up on the menu so much it won't be long before new multiplayer maps, sp missions and skins crop up for $5 a peice...it almost seems like they developed this and then cut it into peices to sell later. I'm having fun with the pred campaign but it just seems very much on the AVP "lite" side of things.

I miss the days when devs used to take your $30-$50 and say ok well you bought a product from us now i'm going to give you 2-3 years of service, patches and free stuff for it (BIS and Valve are great examples). AVP is broken...there is no DX10 mode?!?!? wtf and everyone i have talked to about it on steam is crashing out once every 15-20 mins. I haven't had that many crashes in sp but then again im playing in dx9 mode so i dunno.

EA and the sims really screwed over the PC gaming market for everyone but coming up with a lot of this mini expansion stuff for small amounts of money. All it means in a lot of cases, under it's new guise of DLC, is that we pay money for stuff the devs would have given us for free 5 years ago anyway.

yep, gaming industry is going downhill....years ago it didnt really matter what game you got because it was pretty good and it was supported....now everyone just wants to rape the cash cow

[Clavicula_nox4817]

yes on steam

I only found a multiplayer demo that wouldn't connect to any games. :rolleyes:

[BangTail]

I would imagine the word DLC pops up on the menu so much it won't be long before new multiplayer maps, sp missions and skins crop up for $5 a peice...it almost seems like they developed this and then cut it into peices to sell later. I'm having fun with the pred campaign but it just seems very much on the AVP "lite" side of things.

I miss the days when devs used to take your $30-$50 and say ok well you bought a product from us now i'm going to give you 2-3 years of service, patches and free stuff for it (BIS and Valve are great examples). AVP is broken...there is no DX10 mode?!?!? wtf and everyone i have talked to about it on steam is crashing out once every 15-20 mins. I haven't had that many crashes in sp but then again im playing in dx9 mode so i dunno.

EA and the sims really screwed over the PC gaming market for everyone but coming up with a lot of this mini expansion stuff for small amounts of money. All it means in a lot of cases, under it's new guise of DLC, is that we pay money for stuff the devs would have given us for free 5 years ago anyway.

Oh yeah, I see DLC in AvP's future, and lots of it.

Sulaco DLC
Hadley's DLC
Fury 161 DLC
LV 426 DLC
South American Jungle DLC
LA Subway DLC

etc etc etc

All conspiculously missing from the retail game.

[trickster1982]

The demo is crap, but im not particularly into online gaming anymore anyway, but I am interested in having a go at the single player campaigns if they are worth a play through?

[Big Dawg KS]

I played the multiplayer demo, and it's fun (about the same as the first AvP), but the one thing that concerns me is that there is no duck, run or aim down sights (iron-sights) keys.

The fact that all the AvP fanboys try to justify the lack of these features is just as upsetting.

And yea, the demo was just plain awful. Not in the sense that I think the game is terrible, but that it doesn't give you a good impression of what the full game is like. Therefore, I'm still curious about the game.

[Aeneas2020]

I only found a multiplayer demo that wouldn't connect to any games. :rolleyes:

My mistake then...i thought a saw a pop up for an sp demo...odd

[TangoRomeo]

They should have scrapped this title and instead focus on colonial marines. To me this is a simple FPS - Tekken with guns and aliens, just like the movies.

[Barely-injured]

Actually I quite enjoyed the demo despite some console porting issues, the bad choice of MP mode and the annoying other players mic issues. And even though I have not played the full game yet (it seems that here in Canada we are not getting the PC version until the 22nd, which is yet another mess up) I also heard that there are only like 6 mp maps and that the SP campaigns are short. It seems on par with the sad reality of mainstream games today, few mp maps to be complemented by DLCs and short sp play (although to be fair BangTail "one hour each" is a bit stretching it, I heard it is at least longer than MW2 which again i did not play and may not mean much but it is how most games are today it seems).

However I am a nice guy lol, so I am willing to forgive all this for one thing. I know they are already planing to milk customers with some DLCs. Fine, I might even be willing to give them the extra 5$ or whatever for something i should get for free. But I HOPE to god that after that they would release some sort of map making or mod tools. After all it is mod tools that helped their original AVP and Monolith's AVP 2 to keep on going for so long. So if they really hope that their game would last even 25 % of the time that the last two games lasted they really must release mod tools or the fans wont forgive them........

[Bulldogs]

Played it for a little bit. So far very reminiscent of the first game. Lot of fun, but played the pred campaign for 15 mins then saved it and it said "12% completed", so it's looking like it'll be pretty short. Multiplayer is still pretty fun though.

Graphics are odd. Sometimes they have you thinking "wow, that looks pretty good", then you notice things like the grass that makes Dragon Rising look epic. Characters look like slightly rounder versions of Doom 3, and the marines are annoying to listen to. While playing the pred campaign they repeat the same line over and over again every 20-30 seconds and it just makes you want to kill them as quickly as possible just to shut them up.

Marine campaign feels lifeless. Still got the tense moments but you just feel disconnected. Still can't duck or aim down sites though, which makes it feel a little lacking. Funny that I read one review that said "You really feel the fear when you're ducking behind a crate firing blindly into the darkness", I'd like to know how they ducked without a duck key.

Pred and Alien are a lot more fun, but by looking at the percentages and my time played, I figure it'll be over soon, and the multiplayer doesn't have enough new stuff (actually, doesn't really have anything over the original) to make it worth the price tag.

If they release DLC it may be more worth it, but I've noticed of late that companies are taking the route of "no DLC for the PC version", so I'm afraid this may go the same way.

[vilas]

is there naked Sigourney Weaver in this game, yaaaamyyyy ?
she should be there for realism , yaaaamy :)
i hope when i will have time i will get this game :D nevermind good or bad - i am fanboy of AVP too

[Bulldogs]

I think it's over priced, but it's still good. Way too short though, and no replayability.

Some little annoying things too, like how when you harvest with an alien the animation takes a long time to go through, and if you get attacked you can't fight back til the animation ends and you can't cancel it.

Speaking of such, doesn't anyone else find that harvest animation overly disturbing?

[Arma-2-Guru]

My cousin is bringing this game round to mine now to have a go, can it go splitscreen?

[Placebo]

Someone mentioned 5-6 hour singleplayer? That's shocking, should be illegal to produce such short games IMO :(

[Shadow.D. ^BOB^]

If that Placebo, i myself have done about 3 hours and have completed 53%. I'm playing it on nightmare difficulty to try and make it last. Anything on less than hard and you will breeze through the game in no time. But i've had to force myself to stop playing, otherwise im gonna have it done and then have nothing to do.

[Bulldogs]

There's 3 campaign. 1 per species (alien, human, pred). I isn't rush and completed all 3 in a little over 4 hours. Very depressing. It is fun but it feels like you're playing a demo of something else.

There is a survival mode, but it's only for the marine.

[Shadow.D. ^BOB^]

Survival mode it fun the 1st time you play it, it was one of the reasons i bought the game. Because it was advertised as "coop", but it has 2 maps and thats it. Rather crappy if you ask me, why they didnt include more maps is beyond me. But i suspect one of the reasons for this is to force DLC onto us, that seems the done thing nowadays (f'in money grabbin gits).

I will be playing this game for one thing only, thats for maybe 2/3 hours a week. To have a private game with my mates for a laugh, but it definatly wont keep you entertained for long.

[BangTail]

There's 3 campaign. 1 per species (alien, human, pred). I isn't rush and completed all 3 in a little over 4 hours. Very depressing. It is fun but it feels like you're playing a demo of something else.

There is a survival mode, but it's only for the marine.

I'm with you on this.

WTF is with these 1 to 2 hour campaigns lately?

I bought the original AvP on steam for $4.99 and I've been playing the Marine campaign for over 3 hours now and IIRC, I'm only about half way through it.

Bioshock 2, 2 hours, another piss take.

Of course, as I said earlier in this thread, the DLC will appear before long with all the maps that relate to the films (Hadley's, Fury etc).

AvP feels like half a game. A small uninspired campaign, 8 pathetic and generic MP maps and not one of them based on any of the films (and there were SE maps promised for release that never showed up).

At one point in the Predator campaign, the objective is "Escape from the Refinery". I expected this to take at least 20 mins. Instead, I ran down a corridor and the level ended. That's one serious "escape" they have there /sarcasm off

I was looking forward to Metro 2033 but honestly, if AvP and Bioshock 2 are anything to go by, it'll be another 2 hour campaign with MP tacked on.

It seems the business model is now a "2 hour long interactive movie" as opposed to the sometimes "weeks long" affair that single player gaming used to be.

Note to devs/publishers - You want to sell movies, they were about ~$10.00 the last time I checked, not $50.00.

[Placebo]

I was looking forward to Metro 2033


10 hour linear campaign according to the Eurogamer preview :(

Personally I'm playing Stalker COP on PC and loving it.

[BangTail]

10 hour linear campaign according to the Eurogamer preview :(

Personally I'm playing Stalker COP on PC and loving it.

Man, I hope so. I can deal with Linear as long as it lasts more than an hour. The only problem is that I think 2K was claiming Bioshock 2 was ~10 hours and it wasn't. Maybe if you play it after a bottle of Absolut.

I've tried to get into STALKER a few times but it just doesn't take. Maybe I'll give it another try :)

[Bascule42]

10 hour linear campaign according to the Eurogamer preview :(

Personally I'm playing Stalker COP on PC and loving it.

My copy should be here on Monday, filling the wait with Clear Sky.

OT. My brother in law has said much the same thing about AvP, good, but very short. I don't think I'll bother.

[BangTail]

My copy should be here on Monday, filling the wait with Clear Sky.

OT. My brother in law has said much the same thing about AvP, good, but very short. I don't think I'll bother.

On AvP,

It's not awful but it is VERY short and the MP is weak (especially since there is no Dedi yet and no definite date on when there will be).

[Shadow.D. ^BOB^]

I got the first 2 stalkers off seam cheap. Not actually played them yet, keep telling myself i will start once ive completed GTA IV.

[Placebo]

I got the first 2 stalkers off seam cheap. Not actually played them yet, keep telling myself i will start once ive completed GTA IV.

You should try them, one of the best series of games on PC, nice to see another developer actually bringing out ambitious, openworld games to any platform, was hoping to see White Gold get an English release after the hugely ambitious and fun (but flawed) boiling point but it seems the dev is having big problems and has either closed or is about to :(

[PogMoThoin]

I've tried to get into STALKER a few times but it just doesn't take. Maybe I'll give it another try :)

Play the first, then revisit it with the Oblivion Lost mod (http://forums.filefront.com/s-t-l-k-e-r-soc-modding-mapping-editing/340033-s-t-l-k-e-r-oblivion-lost-kanyhalos.html), absolutely amazing, it balances the weapons and speeds up some of the mundane tasks and gives a whole new life to the game. STALKER has its own modding community (not as big as ArmA), some of the models have been ported into ArmA 2

[BangTail]

Play the first, then revisit it with the Oblivion Lost mod (http://forums.filefront.com/s-t-l-k-e-r-soc-modding-mapping-editing/340033-s-t-l-k-e-r-oblivion-lost-kanyhalos.html), absolutely amazing, it balances the weapons and speeds up some of the mundane tasks and gives a whole new life to the game. STALKER has its own modding community (not as big as ArmA), some of the models have been ported into ArmA 2

As I remember, it's the damage model that was one of my major issues with it (having to shoot people multiple times).

I'm going to install the original a little later and give it another spin.

I'll check that mod out as well :)

[vilas]

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/08/avp.jpg

AVP (funny)

[Bulldogs]

I always had trouble getting into the Stalkers. I bought the first game when it came out, and hated it. Tried it again 1 year later, thought it was better but still didn't like it. Played it again with oblivion lost and it's a lot better, still not as good as I had hoped it'd be, but not bad.

Clear Sky was a crime to humanity. They basically just threw BF2 on top of the stalker world. It's a little more story based but it still felt like I was doing nothing and achieving nothing. Kept trying to love it but couldn't.

Been playing COP. It's a lot better than the first 2 and I don't mind it. There's some thing's a still don't like (why do you always have to be so inaccurate at the start of the game?), but it's pretty good. Really feels a lot more like you're living in a dynamic world, like the first game was always meant to be before all the features were stripped.

That said, I haven't gotten too far into COP yet because it keeps crashing on me... should wait for a patch.

[vilas]

i have seen AVP trailer on Youtube, super looking world, graphics, plants
please show more about AVP3 :]

[Barely-injured]

Angry Joe AVP review, very interesting lol

http://angryjoeshow.com/?p=6514#more-6514

[Big Dawg KS]

For those who are complaining about the ballistics in the Stalker series, they are easy fixed with mods (PM me if you want any good suggestions). But this thread is about AvP...

[vilas]

o i have seen AVP3 today in stores in my country, think this is for me somekind of "must" :)
i hope "godmode" cheats work :]
i played OFP / Arma without, but AVP, RTCW - always, cause i 'd rather want fun than stress "ooo will i survive mission" ;]

edit:
i haven't found cheats :( so i will wait with buying till i will find godmode to enjoy environment/maps

[riffleman]

i played one,but did not know which one

[nomdeplume]

I bought AvP off Steam on Saturday and played it for a few hours... I was surprised at the graphics, they didn't seem very current-gen. In particular, the way the aliens sink into the ground with the particle acid effects around them looks really, really dated. I'm not usually very concerned with graphics (I'm still playing Falcon 4, after all) but this is the kind of game where I expected to be blown away by the shiny, since there's not all that much substance elsewhere.

I played some of the marine campaign first, then got annoyed when I got stuck at the first boss fight. After you die you can restart from the last checkpoint, and they also have an option to change the difficulty. I thought that was thoughtful of them, so after dying a few times decided to drop the difficulty down - and suddenly found myself way back in the level. So then I decided I couldn't be bothered replaying the level - I bought it for the Predator gameplay, after all. The Marine campaign isn't bad, but it's nothing particularly special either. Aliens are fast and tough enough to soak up a few bullets, so you're perpetually low on ammunition which does get a bit tiring. I also found the muzzle flash from the rifle to be annoying as it obscured what I was shooting at ... but maybe that's just me.

Played some of the Predator campaign as well, and I'm impressed that it's actually a very different kind of gameplay. As a Marine you're always reacting to attacks while being led by the nose by your friend on the radio. As the Predator you can play much more methodically, surveying the area while cloaked and then picking off the defenders one by one. You have some kind of distraction device, which lets you lure a particular enemy to a location of your choosing. Very helpful for this kind of gameplay, but it's not well explained and so it feels like a cheat. Additionally, it does get a bit repetitive unless you deliberately make things tricky for yourself. The plasma cannon is nice, but your energy is so limited you have to make most kills in hand-to-hand combat, anyway.

After I hit a tricky patch in the Predator campaign, I decided to have a go at the Alien side of things. I think it's actually my favourite of the 3, but they might just be because I don't particularly like fighting against Aliens. The start of this campaign is quite well done, and the Alien gameplay is pretty similar to the Predator's in that you stalk your prey and take them out one at a time, but it's different enough to be unique. You spend most of your time upside down on the ceiling, and you can move extremely fast, which does make it difficult to keep track of where you are at times.

I haven't finished any of them yet, but the "% complete" goes up awfully quick, especially in the Alien campaign, and since I don't play multiplayer this is probably the main issue. Unless they're going to be releasing DLC or allowing users to create new levels, there's not much life in the game.

The campaigns do kind of intertwine, and it's a bit fun to explore the same locations from different perspectives.

Overall... if you have no immediate need to play it now, I'd wait for it to hit the bargain bin before picking it up.

[IceBreakr]

Finally got AVP from UK (pre-order) and I have to say after 1 day of intensive tests:
1. game is worth every penny
2. I'll never again believe any online reviews and forum posts

Every "bad" thing from reviews is not game breaking. Some critics say the sound the bad - well, its the exact copy as you were watching 1986 Aliens. Others say they are bothered by an awful beeping sound? Well asshole critics, watch the movie first. Others say level design is bad - levels are great, even smaller MP ones! Not to mention we will get more from DLC by Sega/Rebellion.

SP is damn scary (play in dark room with speakers/headset on high volume). You'll even team up with AI and enemy moves differently every game. MP is freakishly addictive (almost as counterstrike or l4d). Fans of old AVP1/AVP2 will love this game. Shadows play a big role, DX11 and DX9 are working great. Levels contain a lot of animated stuff and grass (fern) even moves for few seconds when you go across it (hint: tracking enemy). Igra senc, triggerji, vedno drugačno gibanje AIja, sodelovanje z friendly AI ipd.

MP is outstandingl - played 4+ hours in Infestation and Predator Hunt games with 10 total strangers and guess what? Everyone played fair and were cool!

I thank to all the online reviews so I've expected the worse and now I'm damn happy with AVP - a dream come true to any alien/predator fans. Only thing I hate now is that alt-tabbing crashes my game (CTD) - using 8800GT 512 OC2, E6750 z 4 GB (3.2), Win7 Home/32bit.

[vilas]

please tell me is there a god-mode cheat (i really wanna sightsee maps and joy watching it)

[Aeneas2020]

Finally got AVP from UK (pre-order) and I have to say after 1 day of intensive tests:
1. game is worth every penny
2. I'll never again believe any online reviews and forum posts

Every "bad" thing from reviews is not game breaking. Some critics say the sound the bad - well, its the exact copy as you were watching 1986 Aliens. Others say they are bothered by an awful beeping sound? Well asshole critics, watch the movie first. Others say level design is bad - levels are great, even smaller MP ones! Not to mention we will get more from DLC by Sega/Rebellion.

SP is damn scary (play in dark room with speakers/headset on high volume). You'll even team up with AI and enemy moves differently every game. MP is freakishly addictive (almost as counterstrike or l4d). Fans of old AVP1/AVP2 will love this game. Shadows play a big role, DX11 and DX9 are working great. Levels contain a lot of animated stuff and grass (fern) even moves for few seconds when you go across it (hint: tracking enemy). Igra senc, triggerji, vedno drugačno gibanje AIja, sodelovanje z friendly AI ipd.

MP is outstandingl - played 4+ hours in Infestation and Predator Hunt games with 10 total strangers and guess what? Everyone played fair and were cool!

I thank to all the online reviews so I've expected the worse and now I'm damn happy with AVP - a dream come true to any alien/predator fans. Only thing I hate now is that alt-tabbing crashes my game (CTD) - using 8800GT 512 OC2, E6750 z 4 GB (3.2), Win7 Home/32bit.

breakr...i agree with everything you say. My issues are with the fact that for whatever reason, myself and a great many others are experiencing crashes and tech errors, obviously i play a lot of arma2 so i can live with bugs. However my real concern is simply the lack of content that is included for the asking price. Other than that i think the game is pretty damn good in itself.

[Bulldogs]

Yeah, I keep getting random crashes and I have the audio problem. Basically they pushed a patch through Steam that broke audio for a large number of people. You can lower your audio settings down to "crap" to get the game to run with most sounds, but it still loses some sounds, and they haven't released a hotfix for it yet.

[Berghoff]

Have to agree with Icebreakr, I read the gamespot review just hours before I got my copy for 22 eu :P. And AvP is a very decent game.. bit short but so is Bioshock 2 which I recently completed. Never experienced a crash also plus haven't tried the multi-player part yet. So if your like some tense missions like Doom3 style you'll love this game. :)

[Enad]

I like AVP alot actually. But I have the WORST crashing issues. Every 15 mins or so, sometimes random at no specific time, the game will freeze. Then I have to restart my PC because it freezes my PC fully. I cant complete the Pred campaign because it crashes no matter what. Alien and Marine campaigns barely crash/freeze.
Over all, I like the game, Marine campaign took me maybe 3 hours. Alien was the shortest but more fun in my opinion. Pred is a brutal campaign. Fun but really repetitive.
The Marine campaign was the best though. Best made I mean. It was the longest and had the most atmosphere.
The sad part is this really doesn't stand up to AVP1 or AVP2(Which I prefer). Its just clunky and ALOT of features from AVP2 are missing. The atmosphere as a marine is missing. I mean the Aliens almost never pop out from unexpected places so its not very "scarey," its more creepy. Like what happened to Aliens popping out of vents and stuff. The old game had that and it was great. In the new game, Aliens may come out of the floor, but they are so slow, you see them and your like "Oh its one of them...Let me shoot it now." Another thing that REALLY bothers me is the 'set' jump points. Wtf. You cant jump freely anymore. They have specific areas on the map that you can jump to, which sucks. :( One thing I really miss is the Aliens Auto death head bite. In MP, you could jump at a marine and it would kill him instantly, biting off its head. Now you have all these sweet finishing moves but the are slow and repetitive, not to mention they leave you completely vulnerable. There are more things missing but whatever. Basically I'm just a bit dissapointed. :(
About the MP, I haven't really played much because I couldn't find a server with more than 1 or 2 people in it.....I did survival with Aeneas2020 and that was great fun, but...there are two maps. Such a fail.
Overall the game is fun, but lacks alot and the SP campaigns are decent, not very repayable though. I have been replaying the Alien campaign though. I really like it, its very fun. I just need to finish the Predator campaign.

[Bulldogs]

I like AVP alot actually. But I have the WORST crashing issues. Every 15 mins or so, sometimes random at no specific time, the game will freeze. Then I have to restart my PC because it freezes my PC fully. I cant complete the Pred campaign because it crashes no matter what. Alien and Marine campaigns barely crash/freeze.
Over all, I like the game, Marine campaign took me maybe 3 hours. Alien was the shortest but more fun in my opinion. Pred is a brutal campaign. Fun but really repetitive.
The Marine campaign was the best though. Best made I mean. It was the longest and had the most atmosphere.
The sad part is this really doesn't stand up to AVP1 or AVP2(Which I prefer). Its just clunky and ALOT of features from AVP2 are missing. The atmosphere as a marine is missing. I mean the Aliens almost never pop out from unexpected places so its not very "scarey," its more creepy. Like what happened to Aliens popping out of vents and stuff. The old game had that and it was great. In the new game, Aliens may come out of the floor, but they are so slow, you see them and your like "Oh its one of them...Let me shoot it now." Another thing that REALLY bothers me is the 'set' jump points. Wtf. You cant jump freely anymore. They have specific areas on the map that you can jump to, which sucks. :( One thing I really miss is the Aliens Auto death head bite. In MP, you could jump at a marine and it would kill him instantly, biting off its head. Now you have all these sweet finishing moves but the are slow and repetitive, not to mention they leave you completely vulnerable. There are more things missing but whatever. Basically I'm just a bit dissapointed. :(
About the MP, I haven't really played much because I couldn't find a server with more than 1 or 2 people in it.....I did survival with Aeneas2020 and that was great fun, but...there are two maps. Such a fail.
Overall the game is fun, but lacks alot and the SP campaigns are decent, not very repayable though. I have been replaying the Alien campaign though. I really like it, its very fun. I just need to finish the Predator campaign.

This is what I did to stop the random crahses :

1) Update Direct X with the latest web update (the steam one is out of date)

2) goto control panel -> sound -> speakers (or whatever playback device is your default) -> Advanced -> then set the frequency to 24bit 44100.

There's instabilities in their audio engine right now. Doing this stabalizes it and stops the crashes but you may lose some sounds in the process (mainly cinematic sounds)

[Enad]

I'll update DirectX.
And I read about that audio fix, but my format was at 16 bit. It said anything HIGHER than 24 bit will crash the game. Mine was lower.... :|
I set it to 24bit 44100 though. It said to, so I thought, might as well.

[CameronMcDonald]

Is the Marine co-op infestation mode limited to 4 players?

[Aeneas2020]

it's true enad is a crashing mofo...even on mp. Enad just try plaing in Dx9 like i did. I have a modern system but mine hates the standard DX mode i have to force 9 to be able to play. I am enjoying the pred campaign although I am finding it a bit too easy....chopping down aliens with my claws is like being attacked by carebears if you were wolverine on crack, they just do very little damage. As a marine it's down right scary though.

[Soul_Assassin]

lol bioshock 2 in 2 hours? u obviously missed the point of the game. must have just sprinted from start to finish. The game if played correctly on a challenging hardness takes waaaay longer then 2 hours to complete.

[IceBreakr]

Is the Marine co-op infestation mode limited to 4 players?

If you mean Survival mode then Yes. Infestation (where 1 plays alien and all others start as marines) then, No.

[BangTail]

lol bioshock 2 in 2 hours? u obviously missed the point of the game. must have just sprinted from start to finish. The game if played correctly on a challenging hardness takes waaaay longer then 2 hours to complete.

Sadly, it doesn't.

Bioshock 2 is an extremely short game and the difficulty doesn't change that very much.

I thought what was there was pretty good but I certainly didn't "miss the point" anymore than I did with AvP.

It is a trend that has been going on for a few years now and it will continue as long as people support it financially.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, I purchased the original AvP off Steam and I am 3 hours into the marine campaign (and nowhere near the end).

The whole AvP (2010) campaign took less time than that.

[walker]

Hi all

I liked the previous versions as things jumping out of the dark got my adrenalin going but I suspect I will suffer the same problems all ArmA players experience with other FPS.

Clunky imprecise simplified controls
Ego Shooter dificulty levels
Bordom
No long lasting play.

I suspect I will have finished it at its highest difficulty in a few days. :(

Once you have played various version of the Real Virtuality engine other games stop being a challenge.

Still it should at least be longer than a film.

Kind Regards walker

[CameronMcDonald]

If you mean Survival mode then Yes. Infestation (where 1 plays alien and all others start as marines) then, No.

Ah, yeah, meant survival mode. No worries -thanks Ice.

[bhaz]

I'm disappointed with the game myself. It seemed to me it was more about eye candy than gameplay, though I admit there's plenty of skill and timing involved with the blocking / countering of light and heavy attacks.

The trophy kill system was the main killer for me in MP, the fact you could kill or be killed by a single push of the "E" key, which triggered a cinematic-like kill animation that couldn't be canceled - it was as though I was more of a spectator rather than being involved in the kill or death. All you needed to do to trigger these kills was to be behind the target, or hit them with one heavy attack.

For now, I've preordered a copy of Natural Selection 2 (http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/about/) (FPS/RTS hybrid), to get my hands on the alpha in the next month or so. Hoping it lives up to the original.

[BangTail]

I'm disappointed with the game myself. It seemed to me it was more about eye candy than gameplay, though I admit there's plenty of skill and timing involved with the blocking / countering of light and heavy attacks.

The trophy kill system was the main killer for me in MP, the fact you could kill or be killed by a single push of the "E" key, which triggered a cinematic-like kill animation that couldn't be canceled - it was as though I was more of a spectator rather than being involved in the kill or death. All you needed to do to trigger these kills was to be behind the target, or hit them with one heavy attack.

For now, I've preordered a copy of Natural Selection 2 (http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/about/) (FPS/RTS hybrid), to get my hands on the alpha in the next month or so. Hoping it lives up to the original.

The trophy kill thing is poorly implemented and exceptionally useless as it can't be cancelled.

[Bulldogs]

Survival mode rocks, but it can get repetitive

[Dead3yez]

Excuse my spam post everyone.


I like AVP alot actually. But I have the WORST crashing issues. Every 15 mins or so, sometimes random at no specific time, the game will freeze. Then I have to restart my PC because it freezes my PC fully. I cant complete the Pred campaign because it crashes no matter what. Alien and Marine campaigns barely crash/freeze.
Over all, I like the game, Marine campaign took me maybe 3 hours. Alien was the shortest but more fun in my opinion. Pred is a brutal campaign. Fun but really repetitive.
The Marine campaign was the best though. Best made I mean. It was the longest and had the most atmosphere.
The sad part is this really doesn't stand up to AVP1 or AVP2(Which I prefer). Its just clunky and ALOT of features from AVP2 are missing. The atmosphere as a marine is missing. I mean the Aliens almost never pop out from unexpected places so its not very "scarey," its more creepy. Like what happened to Aliens popping out of vents and stuff. The old game had that and it was great. In the new game, Aliens may come out of the floor, but they are so slow, you see them and your like "Oh its one of them...Let me shoot it now." Another thing that REALLY bothers me is the 'set' jump points. Wtf. You cant jump freely anymore. They have specific areas on the map that you can jump to, which sucks. :( One thing I really miss is the Aliens Auto death head bite. In MP, you could jump at a marine and it would kill him instantly, biting off its head. Now you have all these sweet finishing moves but the are slow and repetitive, not to mention they leave you completely vulnerable. There are more things missing but whatever. Basically I'm just a bit dissapointed. :(
About the MP, I haven't really played much because I couldn't find a server with more than 1 or 2 people in it.....I did survival with Aeneas2020 and that was great fun, but...there are two maps. Such a fail.
Overall the game is fun, but lacks alot and the SP campaigns are decent, not very repayable though. I have been replaying the Alien campaign though. I really like it, its very fun. I just need to finish the Predator campaign.
Holy shit, Enad. You're on fire!


I was thinking of getting this game. I'm disappointed at the way it looks like it's turned out. Was really looking forward to it as well. For me, first disappointment of 2010, I say that though with not having bought the game.

[Bulldogs]

Honestly, I absolutely love the game, but the short game length, sound problems (seriously. The first patch they release breaks sound for a large number of people and they haven't hinted at fixing it in their forums), and the random crashes (well, I haven't experienced any on DX10 with the sound set to crap, but DX11 still crashes randomly).

Other than those things the game is really good, and coop survival is fun, and the maps are perfectly built for it, but after 3-4 rounds of it you won't want to play it again (not without new maps and new weapons)

For the price I'd say it's not worth it (again, game length), especially in Australia. It's been released on Steam at a higher than normal price knowing full well that it's a fragment of the game and they're going to release the rest of it as pay money to DLC.

[BangTail]

Honestly, I absolutely love the game, but the short game length, sound problems (seriously. The first patch they release breaks sound for a large number of people and they haven't hinted at fixing it in their forums), and the random crashes (well, I haven't experienced any on DX10 with the sound set to crap, but DX11 still crashes randomly).

Other than those things the game is really good, and coop survival is fun, and the maps are perfectly built for it, but after 3-4 rounds of it you won't want to play it again (not without new maps and new weapons)

For the price I'd say it's not worth it (again, game length), especially in Australia. It's been released on Steam at a higher than normal price knowing full well that it's a fragment of the game and they're going to release the rest of it as pay money to DLC.

I'm thinking of getting a refund tbh. To my knowledge, Steam always gives you one "no questions asked".

[Barely-injured]

Now I quite like the game but I am not going to review it or something because i have not finished it yet. But there is one thing that is not related to gameplay itself that I want to rant about......

Why is this game so dependent on steam ? I mean even the physical copy that I bought off the store ? what is the point then, and what difference there is from not downloading from steam other than saving bandwidth ?

Ok I don't want to get into another steam for and against arguments, but I always thought of steam as an option. An option that I am obviously not a fan of. I just think that forcing people to use steam is a bad idea, I might understand it for valve games but not for others. I hope that this trend is not going to become more common.

[Baff1]

Ug.
That's pity it would have been good on my LAN.

I bought Left4Dead once I realised that Steams Offline mode allows me to LAN play.
I was (un)dead chuffed.

But I only got to use it the once before Steam had killed it.
I don't know what it had updated or why any updates that I had not appllied (and specifically configured not be applied) should disable the game from working correctly but it did.

And so I haven't really played it.
I would have played it much more but now everytime I launch it Steam wants me to updates all sorts of things and god knows what else.

I only want to play I for a quick five minutes so when it takes half an hour to an hour to unexpectedly reconfigure while everyone in the room is moaning, things like that just don't get used.

I can see why they do use Steam. But I don't think I'm willing to buy another Steam game for my LAN again. Its' just too user unfriendly.

Annoyingly this means Red Orchestra 2 will probably be borked again too as well.

A pity because these are 3 of the exact sort of games my LAN was created for. What a waste.

[IceBreakr]

Guys, wait for the first DLC and patches, I'm sure we'll get both on PCs. Its a great game and Rebellion & Sega won't let it die off in this "1.0" state.

[BangTail]

Guys, wait for the first DLC and patches, I'm sure we'll get both on PCs. Its a great game and Rebellion & Sega won't let it die off in this "1.0" state.

Wait to pay for content that should have been there in the 1st place?

No thanks.

It could have been a great game, there is no doubt about that, but it's a case of revenue vs quality.

They (SEGA/Rebellion) knew they could milk the franchise name and that's exactly what they are going to do.

They should have simply remade the first one and beefed up the MP.

That would have been a epic.

[CameronMcDonald]

I gave it a stab the other day on a mate's PC. It's OK, but I concur with the lamentation going on about kill animations. Way to fix me in one spot in front of a couple of combat synthetics. :(

What I found awesome/funny about the original AvP was that you could be speeding along past hapless humans as the alien, do a quick swipe and an arm would come off, hide, come back, swipe, rinse and repeat.

[BangTail]

I gave it a stab the other day on a mate's PC. It's OK, but I concur with the lamentation going on about kill animations. Way to fix me in one spot in front of a couple of combat synthetics. :(

What I found awesome/funny about the original AvP was that you could be speeding along past hapless humans as the alien, do a quick swipe and an arm would come off, hide, come back, swipe, rinse and repeat.

Im playing the original at the mo. It was $5.00 on Steam.

Ok, the graphics are errr ... dated, but the game itself is 100x better than the latest incarnation.

I miss the Predator's jumping from the new one but that's about all.

[Bulldogs]

Funny thing being that even though avp 2 was made by a different team, the original and the new one were made by the same team, yet avp2 is much better than the new one. Rarely happens that way as we all know.

[Popa]

AvP is fun as hell!

7YEc9lUiZkk

[vilas]

i hope to have it today or tommorow (as i will find time to visit shop)
shame no god-mode cheats yet, no fun of "ending level with pistol only" ;) but i hope i will find with time cheats to "easy lazy fun of playing" :)
i always loved AvP games, since 1
i used AvP since 2000 to 2003, i moded it with my friend
we chaned skins or this TV movies on walls to porn, we changed sounds to politicians speeches, we changed Aliens sounds to "miaow" (cat sound), we changed Predator sound to some drunkards begging "caugh up a stick" "give cent for wine" etc.
such moded AvP1 was real crazy :)
later we have done a lot of reskins , walls made of Salvadore Dali paintings or Hieronim Bosch paintings
i remember MP in AvP with grenade launcher and sticky-mines :D
like in RTCW we changed SS/FJ skins to "sports clothes wearing"

RTCW + AvP1 textures : http://www.rtcw.fpp.pl/images/pics/news/dres3.jpg

[Enad]

speeding along past hapless humans as the alien, do a quick swipe and an arm would come off, hide, come back, swipe, rinse and repeat. TOTALLY agree. Thats what I loved, even more so in AVP2! I really loved how you could jump at a marine and it would take his head off! Those were the good days....


yet avp2 is much better than the new one. Rarely happens that way as we all know.
+1

[TheRev709]

My likes about the new AVP:

Visuals - while (for whatever reason) some reviews say the textures sucked I disagree. Sure, if you stop and stare at a patch of rock or grass, it doesn't hold par with Crysis, but as a whole when you're playing you'll never notice. This is the art of game design, creating the illusion of awesomeness even when it isn't. I'm glad the texture maps aren't off the wall like some games out there, otherwise I'd have to buy a new GPU and thats just not in the cards right now.

Single Player - Can't beat the experience of hunting humans as an Alien or Predator, and the game nails the fear factor for playing as a Marine IMHO. It has a complete story which ties in every faction, and of course it has Lance Henriksen FTW.

Kills - Pulling a humans head out through their stomach, or shoving your Alien tail up someones ass till it petrudes from their mouth is just classy.

Now for my gripes:
Single Player - I just feel like the campaign, while fun, could've done better. If you've played AVP1 or AVP2, this game is no different: Weyland Yutani Corp. is experimenting on Aliens and trying to capture a Predator. Shit happens, Marines get sent in. WooHoo. The "plot twist" at the end of the campaign isn't even a good twist considering its soooo expected:
Human player escapes with the android and the female soldier with an alien inside of her. Oh, but wait, the pilots are working for Weylund and they report that the specimen is secure blah blah blah bad guys win. Didn't see that one coming! (not)
So, in short, a nice new story would be nice. But then again, this story, while used, is the only sucessful and good AVP story we got. It works, it sells. The studio movies tried to start new stories and failed miserably (while this game does borrow a lot from AVP the movie, it still holds much more true to Aliens). So I suppose I would've preferred this story than a terrible one, but still, I would like something fresh for AVP.

Oh oh oh, and: the queen battle blows!!! While I can understand they probably didn't want the same old cliche queen boss fight, the queen battle is like the climax to every AVP experience. I did enjoy the Predalien fight, and even goin after the Predator as an Alien (too easy btw), the queen battle just lacked in epicness. They tried, but failed.

Gameplay - Other than an unimaginative story, the game play is the same from AVP 1 and 2. While the melee combat works OK for single player, it blows for multi (more on that later). Otherwise, its the same old. But thats not a totally bad thing, as the same old game play works and I do enjoy it, I just think theres more cool stuff they could throw in. For example: Marines crawling through mud to cloak themselves from old pussycat face, or actually getting to drive around the APC or Drop ship.

Multiplayer - I'm not going to complain about the lack of dedicated servers considering it will be added later, but the damned gameplay just hurts. The first person melee system, while simple, just doesn't work. As and alien, one tail whip and the enemy is stunned, allowing for an immediate second tail whip which equals dead. Otherwise, all you gotta do to win is secondary attack and mash the E button to grab em and its "game over man, game over!"

Also, its VERY obvious the dev team was fearful about balance. I can imagine the nightmare of trying to balance three different factions, all that are complete opposites in gameplay. However, its so obvious the Marines are too powerful, the Predators are too weak, and the Alien attacks are just too strong. Its obvious the Predator relies on stealth, but even in close combat they just suck. And if you miss when you launch a disc blade or spear, you're screwed . . . They're better off against an Alien in melee than a Marine is, but they're also so fast they just zip off before you can finish em most of the time.

And its complete BS that a human Marine can BLOCK a Predator's attack. Complete and utter BS. I can understand having Marine melee block for balance . . . but cmon!

Biggest gripe about multiplayer: I SPAWN RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN enemy!!!! When this happens all the enemy has to do is hit E if their behind me, which is usually the case, and end my short spawn time. If its a Marine and I'm a Predator or Alien, I'm just dead as they'll rip me up with the pulse rifle before I can even realize where they are. Its BS to the Nth degree.

Final gripe - Alien controls. But thats just because I suck and lose my bearings too easy, cause its obvious other people have an easier time than I do. But the stupid "transition" button never works, so I have to transition to walls automatically . . . and when youre bouncing around a room trying to kill someone its juts confusing and I usually end up on a wall where they can grab me.

Otherwise, I do like this game, and recommend it to anybody whose an AVP fan. I just hope Rebellion doesn't abandon the game and can fix the few bugs but many gameplay issues. Hopefully they'll be more imaginative for the inevitable sequel (the game sold well).

[Bulldogs]

I still can't understand the major multiplayer arguement of "all I have to do is heavy attack then spam e", when i play multiplayer i play marine most of the time and I get constant abusive messages because players keep trying to heavy attack me and each time I cut them down before they can attack. And my response is what it always is to them... if I was stupid enough to stand still while they used a heavy attack on me, then I shouldn't be playing. That's the point of it. As a marine you keep them At a distance, 'cause if they get close it's game over

[vilas]

well i get AVP3 and ... i don't like it :|
i don't like it because of the same reason that people not like DR (who loved OFP1)
cause AVP3 is completely different from AVP1, AVP2
i expected continuation of AVP1, AVP2 :|
i expected "stupid shooter to relax"
i was so pissed off when i must first complete "training mission" and push keyboard key H, push keyboard T, pu... i cannot move, shoot everything,
in AVP1, AVP2 i had ALL weapons available , here... daaamn no :(
worst thing is - Predator not refresh energy and has in mission only blades :(
i wanna stand on trees and shoot
i wanted stupid shooter like AVP1 "kill all yeah", i wanted continuation , not "you must go there, you must do that, you must..."
when i buying Vader, Behemoth - i expect death-black metal, when i buy 50Cent - i expect rap, when i buy BobMarley i expect reggae, when i buy "Bethoven" i expect classical music
so when i buy AVP3 i expect AVP1, AVP2 continuation and Predator with 4 weapons , not blades only and lack of energy to shoot :|
i'll return it to shop :] i haven't tried RTCW 2 yet, but i hope it is like RTCW 1
but no ctd or technical problems - graphics is super, only shame is that it is not "relax , turn off brain shooter"

[Pulverizer]

Good luck returning a Steamworks protected game to shop, unless by "shop" you meant the torrent tracker :rolleyes:

[walker]

Hi all

And the Balance Nazi's ruin yet another game franchise.

Is BIS the only company to realise war is not fair?

A good scenario designer can balance a scenario rather than developers trying to balance naturally and correctly unbalanced avatar characters.

Kind Regards walker

[Bulldogs]

He should be right. In most countries (Australia and US included) the shops will tell you that you can't return after opening, but from what I hear from the consumer rights groups, that's a policy drummed up by shop keepers but the actual laws require them to give a refund. Doesn't mean they have to make it easy on you though.

[vilas]

Pulverizer heh, in Poland it is box edition, what Steam? :) some small game-shops have it already :) if your country not released it , don't accuse others of stealing, it was released February 16, 2010 in the US, February 19 in Europe, week ago
i already changed it to 2 music CD, cause i buy from someone i know without problem of changing :P


In most countries (Australia and US included) the shops will tell you that you can't return after opening
in Poland too, but it not means it is LEGAL and according to regulation, when i say that "i know law sir, cause i work in law sir" , they not argue anymore, cause they know they are cheating consumers about "no returns after leaving shop" :]
in Poland they use other method too: fading ink , you buy something and after few months your check is WHITE paper
ink disappeared , while guarantee is "12/24 months with proof of selling", and after few months you would not have proof, cause ticket disappeared
when i BUY anything important - i do xero of it or digital photo
you know how my girl once bought cheap perfumes ?
they selling on street perfumes, mostly copies, they say
"super occasion only 70 PLN", in shop 200",
so she said "sir, i can give 20, it is copy"
"no madame it is not a copy"
"after few years work in police i can recognize copy"
"okay, 20, have a nice day"
you can return many things, it just depends HOW you speak to seller ;)
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back to AVP topic
shame that they changed game from being direct sequel in old style
Predator is one-man-army cosmic beast, not knight who run of energy after 5 shots, it was annoying when i had only blades after 3 kills
and this "training missions" and "enabled option, now type H, now you can turn head", i played AVP1 for 3 years, AVP2 for year
and now... i am treated like 5 years old kid "learn to walk" ???
i wanted shoot some cosmic beasts, not "hide and obey orders"
i remember how much FUN was playing and slaughtering all in AVP1
what is funny - such strong beast like Predator cannot destroy sentry gun, to kill man 2 shots ??? in movie after plazma-caster shot half of man was exploded, not 2 shots
haven't tried Alien missions, i finished 2 Marines missions, and i was pissed off in middle of first Pred mission and removed game
i really love AVP1 still from 1999 cause it was "stupid shooter to enjoy killing" :)

for me most important reason to uninstal is this stupid weak energy for Predator, in AVP1 you had many weapons and could shoot a lot
here, after few shots, good bye energy, only blade left
fun factor of Predator = ZERO


And its complete BS that a human Marine can BLOCK a Predator's attack. Complete and utter BS. I can understand having Marine melee block for balance . . . but cmon!
buahahahahaha, i not tested it, but it could be reaaaaaaly silly to block Predator hit by human arm :D even Arnie Swartz get ass kicked by Predator in movie

[Pulverizer]

Pulverizer heh, in Poland it is box edition, what Steam? :) some small game-shops have it already :) if your country not released it , don't accuse others of stealing, it was released February 16, 2010 in the US, February 19 in Europe, week ago
i already changed it to 2 music CD, cause i buy from someone i know without problem of changing :P

Yes. I too have a boxed copy. It requires to be activated on Steam account to play, because it uses Steamworks just like MW2 or the Valve games. You would know this if you had a legal copy.

Here, I took a photo of the back cover:
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/pulverizer/th_avp_backcover.jpg (http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/pulverizer/?action=view&current=avp_backcover.jpg)

[BangTail]

Good luck returning a Steamworks protected game to shop, unless by "shop" you meant the torrent tracker :rolleyes:

Wrong!

I know a few people who've done it. It can involve a lot of arguing but it has been done.

You can also chargeback your CC if they flatly refuse to refund you.

[Pulverizer]

It's wrong to wish good luck?

Anyhoo. I haven't heard of anyone who has succesfully got a refund from an activated, fully working Steam game in the EU (which Poland is a part of). If the game doesn't even start and you bought it from Steam store, you might have a chance.

[Alex72]

Vilas: "i know law sir, cause i work in law sir"
:D Ive pulled that one too many times and got to return things without hassle.

Was thinking of checking this game out but it sounds pretty bleh.

[BangTail]

:D Ive pulled that one too many times and got to return things without hassle.

Was thinking of checking this game out but it sounds pretty bleh.

Save your money mate.

It's not bad but there is far too little of it to justify shelling out $50.00.

[IceBreakr]

Err I still don't understand folks who won't pay for a game that costs like a simple dinner out or they even spent a whole lot more on smokes or alcohol :)

SP is one of the most intense experiences (play Marine on Hard), but this game shines in MP :) Can't wait for DLC (levels)...

[BangTail]

Err I still don't understand folks who won't pay for a game that costs like a simple dinner out or they even spent a whole lot more on smokes or alcohol :)

SP is one of the most intense experiences (play Marine on Hard), but this game shines in MP :) Can't wait for DLC (levels)...

Because it isn't worth $50.00 IMHO.

It took me less than 3 hours to finish the SP and the MP kept me occupied for another hour (maybe 2).

I don't see myself playing it again, it has 0 replay value. The MP maps are pathetic and uninspired.

Most of them are just nondescript, symmetrical "arenas" (copied and pasted from the SP game). They really illustrate the lack of creativity these devs have.

It's all about being able to justify the cost to yourself. You like the game, and as such, you are happy with the money you spent.

I don't like it and see it as a big (and ongoing) cash grab using a popular IP, therefore, I can't justify the $50.00.

I bought Napoleon TW the other day and I've already played it for over 10 hours. That game was worth my $50.00 (and I can see myself playing it a lot more over the coming weeks).

[vilas]

Pulverizer as i said - it depends who is selling and who comes to shop :P without any pointless details :) i get some more about game that was sold me in stand


Err I still don't understand folks who won't pay for a game that costs like a simple dinner

or in some countries 2-3 days of work and ... 8 dinners ?

[oyman]

Pulverizer as i said - it depends who is selling and who comes to shop :P without any pointless details :) i get some more about game that was sold me in stand



or in some countries 2 days of work and ... 8 dinners ?

the rest of the world doesnt make as much as poland though

[vilas]

Poland, Belarus, Slovakia, Lithuenia... half of East Europe, Russia except big cities, India, South America in some countries etc.
50USD for game is not much maybe for 10% of people over the world
in some countries PC is too expensive so we don't have them in community nor addons, cause they cannot allow PC

[BangTail]

It's wrong to wish good luck?

Anyhoo. I haven't heard of anyone who has succesfully got a refund from an activated, fully working Steam game in the EU (which Poland is a part of). If the game doesn't even start and you bought it from Steam store, you might have a chance.

I have, as I had already said.

I know 2 people who got their cash back for STO and both after launch.

[vilas]

to get refund is simple :
"sir it not works on my PC unlike rest of soft i have, there must be something wrong, i won't be buying new PC just for this game *, please change it for something in your shop, i don't want money back, just other product"
of course later someone may have problem with install :( but they will give him new CD key so no problem (if game registered by CD key)
guys who work in shops sometimes don't know what they are selling, what needs register, what not (if in your stand/shop/bazaar guy knows - your luck, most of sellers i met "just work here" cause you want get good seller employee for lowest salary job which is shop job)
just like 90% of sellers knows "it is good" and nothing more
go to any photo shop and ask "sir what is difference between Canon and Nikon autofocus" , maybe 1 of 50 sellers will say "-0.5 EV vs. - 1 EV
Nikon better in the nightime and red-warm tones" for rest "all cameras are good"
i know shops where works beauty girl, why ? she has no clue about PC and soft, but her look brings customers and they buy thinking about chatting her up
maybe on west sellers are specialists, here they are "i couldn't found better job but i have nice legs and smile" , cause noone other will work for 200-300 EU 12 hours day by day, half of them are part-time workers, students etc. who piss on boss and refund, cause "customer is my lad, so not fu*** who not pays me" :) i know few people working in shops temporary and they have such attitude cause hate company brainwashing "sale meeting motivation team integration anthem" when shop keeper acts like it was sect
if it was AutoCad i would not get refund ;) if it is "just game" i can

* BIS products are only in the world that i buy new PC for , only worthy ;)

[Bulldogs]

Don't get me wrong. I loved the single player and enjoy a quick bash on the multiplayers occasionally, but the single player was way too short, the multiplayer is repetitive after 1 hour, and even though they are going to release DLC to extent the life of it, they'll most likely charge for it. If they don't I'll be happy, but I doubt it.

It seems like they deliberately released a game that couldn't keep you interested for more than 10 hours tops (including singleplayer and multiplayer DM and skirmish), knowing that once you wanted more they'd release more as DLC for an extra $10-$15.

I wouldn't be so upset by that fact if it wasn't for the fact that the game costs AU$100 in store over here, but I bought it through Steam at which I got it for US$65 (just shy of AU$75), that's more than games usually cost on steam (usually US$50). That said, they seem to have changed the policies for Australians. Most games released lately are coming out on Steam at US$70-US$90, knowing full well that Australians don't really have many alternatives to work with. (only cheap place you can order online has about a 1-2 month delivery time)

[vilas]

can you deliver for example Russian version or like this ?
i have people selling on stand things from Russian market (the same CD with music bought in Grodno costs 1/4 than in Warsaw)
i often try to buy Russian CD, DVD or now i found that also in Germany CD are cheaper

[Bulldogs]

We can but most places have large import costs, and the ones that are free can take up to 2 months

[Pulverizer]

I know 2 people who got their cash back for STO and both after launch.

Where? Why? How?

[Bulldogs]

I'm guessing that there's no laws in place for different DRM's and activation systems, so anything store bought still works under the general software laws, meaning that regardless of it's activation or anything you can still return the software under law.

When you purchase MMO's you get a card with a serial number under a scratchy. There is a disclaimer saying that when you scratch it you can't return it. As far as I know that's just a policy and no laws apply to it (it's not an actual contractual agreement, so it shouldn't stand)

That said, once you do return it, the store would contact the company running the MMO and they would cancel any account linked to that Key.

[BangTail]

I'm guessing that there's no laws in place for different DRM's and activation systems, so anything store bought still works under the general software laws, meaning that regardless of it's activation or anything you can still return the software under law.

When you purchase MMO's you get a card with a serial number under a scratchy. There is a disclaimer saying that when you scratch it you can't return it. As far as I know that's just a policy and no laws apply to it (it's not an actual contractual agreement, so it shouldn't stand)

That said, once you do return it, the store would contact the company running the MMO and they would cancel any account linked to that Key.

In both cases where STO was concerned, it took some arguing with the rep but they did finally acquiesce and STO was removed from their Steam list (I'm assuming the key was disabled).

That isn't the only time I've heard of people getting their cash back, 4 guys on here got their cash back for Global Agenda IIRC.

D2D can be a little harder. I got into a fairly big argument with them concerning Alone in the Dark and I had to go as far as threatening a chargeback to get them to refund the money.

[vilas]

We can but most places have large import costs, and the ones that are free can take up to 2 months
i do it following when i buy CD with music from Russia or Germany (cheaper than in Poland)
i make e-mail "sir bank wants 15 euro for transfer money for disc, can i send you a cash in letter"
2 guys agreed
cost of CD with music 4 EU, cost of shipment by usual letter 5-6 Euro
i pay 8-10 Euro for CD with music
if i would have to buy it in Polish store, i would need to give 15 Euro
if i done money transfer by bank - such transfer cost is 10-15 euro depending on your bank (in Poland)
so ...
i put 10 EU bill into letter, 2 weeks later i have 2 CD with music on my shelf :)
and i am happy :)
it worked for me twice , i never bought like this anything more expensive, but worked

AvP 3 for PC in Poland cost 99-120 PLN depending of shop (ca. 25-30 Euro)
Russian or Belarussian AvP3 probably costs 10-15 Euro,
letter goes 1-2 week in Europe
of course would be good if you could have bazaar stand with guy who sells orginals bought abroad - i have such guy

[trickster1982]

Anyone else playing this game (PC version) getting random moments of lag in single player? The game seems to be running great, then all of a sudden & even when theres nothing going on it just pauses for a few seconds before carrying on as if nothing had happened, its similar to when it does an in game save, but its just at random! Its not my rig as far as I can tell because the game is lightning fast at all other moments other than these random lags! :confused:

[Bulldogs]

I've seen that issue in some random games caused by either Hyperthreading or SLI/Crossfire. If you have neither of those then try running the game from Directx9 mode (Dx11 mode is very buggy right now)

[BangTail]

Anyone else playing this game (PC version) getting random moments of lag in single player? The game seems to be running great, then all of a sudden & even when theres nothing going on it just pauses for a few seconds before carrying on as if nothing had happened, its similar to when it does an in game save, but its just at random! Its not my rig as far as I can tell because the game is lightning fast at all other moments other than these random lags! :confused:

What BD said :)

The DX10/11 client is fux0red at the moment (at least it is for Nvidia users).

[vilas]

Anyone else playing this game (PC version) getting random moments of lag in single player?
yes, when going out from cave to open ground (Marine), than lag taken 10-15 seconds

[trickster1982]

What BD said :)

The DX10/11 client is fux0red at the moment (at least it is for Nvidia users).

Thats my problem then I think, I got a GTX275 a few weeks ago which has been great with Arma 2 & all my other games, yet this one even though it doesnt look like it should seriously challenge my hardware seems to be suffering with this random lagging, very odd! Im getting really brassed off with PC games being released buggy & unfinished, and then having to have intrusive online software (steam) chugging away in the background to let me play them!

[Bulldogs]

When it was released, AVP had a few random crash issues, especially under DX11, then Steam forced a patch on us that broke sound and made more crashes and other random issues with DX11. Since then they haven't released anymore patches (guessing they learned from the mistake with the first patch that rushing out another patch could break even more things)

[IceBreakr]

New patch is coming today.
http://www.ggmania.com/?smsid=28582

[trickster1982]

Good hope it fixes the problem, the game seems pretty enjoyable especially as the Predator, but the pauses every couple of minutes were really starting to get my goat last night to the point where I switched off a new game after an hour or so's play, which is something I never normally do until im struggling to keep my eyes open with a new one!

[BangTail]

Thats my problem then I think, I got a GTX275 a few weeks ago which has been great with Arma 2 & all my other games, yet this one even though it doesnt look like it should seriously challenge my hardware seems to be suffering with this random lagging, very odd! Im getting really brassed off with PC games being released buggy & unfinished, and then having to have intrusive online software (steam) chugging away in the background to let me play them!

Steam isn't to blame. To be honest, I've never had any problems with Steam.

But yah, it's the DX10/11 client. My FPS can be in the 100's but I get this weird stuttering lag that comes and goes.

DX9 runs fine and the visual difference is negligible.

[Bulldogs]

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, the dedicated server files are released with a few big catches :

1. It seems you need to own the game on Steam to be able to install the dedicated server software.
2. You need to install the whole game (15gb) to be able to run a server.
3. You need Steam running to be able to run a server.
4. You need one Steam account per physical server (which means buying one copy of the game per machine).

[Emberwolf]

Why did they even bother.

[Pathy]

If anyone wants to play with some ArmA2 community chaps rather than hang around on public servers, we've got a dedi server up. Although it may mostly go down at night. Mostly. Look for Volcbat, the password is stayfrosty. Feel free to use it.

And no, you don't need to buy the game to run a dedi server bulldogs. :) You just need to create a steam account for the server.

[IceBreakr]

Great Pathy, I mighty drop by with my squad buddies. Add me @<hidden>: icebreakr.

[Bulldogs]

That's good to hear. That info was from ausgamers, I'll let em know that their info is wrong

[Aeneas2020]

pathy as soon as i get back from my hols ill be on

[Archamedes]

I loved the first 2 games and still play AVP now. Im getting the game for my birthday and looking forward to it. I dont really pay attention to reviews because i like to judge for myself. I have however heard frequent complaints about the melee attacks being very hard or unstable to control. I also have found out from playing the first 2 games is that there is a level of difficulty depending on the character you play as. The predators gameplay is easy because he is a walking tank. Marine medium, because alough still armed isnt as strong as the predator and also has to fight against tough predators and super fast aliens. And playing as an alien is difficult because you have to rely on speed and melee accuracy in order to win.

I have seen a lot of people asking about the colonial marines game. I admit i nearly sprayed my pants when i saw the screenshots and really looked forward to it, hoping it to keep very closely to the james cameron aliens. However i have heard that The game has been scrapped and will not be developed anymore. No idea why but its not coming out.

Also i saw a post on poject igi, i loved that game too, (not only because the character is british and shares the same full name as me.) but it was full on action.

[vilas]

i hope you will like it, cause me - not
it is different than AvP1 and AvP2 :(
this game is only good at graphics , sounds etc.
but main idea "stupid shooter to relax after day of work" is not present anymore
you don't have too much guns, Predator is weak here and has only one new weapon per level, you don't start with all weapons, you loose energy - zero fun of playing Predator
maybe missions storyline is good, but i always loved AvP for "stupid relax shooting" , for me AvP is best of serie , most "true" in feeling and there Predator was strong beast
from my p.o.v. it has as much to AvP1 as Dragon Rising to OFP (okay it was too sadistic comparision) , but i hate when i start with Predator with "training mission", than "do what arrow says" , than "only one weapon and after 5 shots only blade, cause you lost energy to fire"

[BangTail]

i hope you will like it, cause me - not
it is different than AvP1 and AvP2 :(
this game is only good at graphics , sounds etc.
but main idea "stupid shooter to relax after day of work" is not present anymore
you don't have too much guns, Predator is weak here and has only one new weapon per level, you don't start with all weapons, you loose energy - zero fun of playing Predator
maybe missions storyline is good, but i always loved AvP for "stupid relax shooting" , for me AvP is best of serie , most "true" in feeling and there Predator was strong beast
from my p.o.v. it has as much to AvP1 as Dragon Rising to OFP (okay it was too sadistic comparision) , but i hate when i start with Predator with "training mission", than "do what arrow says" , than "only one weapon and after 5 shots only blade, cause you lost energy to fire"

I have to agree with you Vilas, the Predator is, in a word, naff.

None of the films, GNs or whatever have ever portrayed the Predator as having a "limited" supply of power. It can generate a small nuclear explosion FFS.

This may have been done in the name of balance but the Predator was far better in the first 2 games and MP was much better as well. It was much harder to find and kill the Predator in PH games and thus, far more exhilirating.

I've tried to go back to AvP 2010 a couple of times now but it has 0 replay value. The campaign(s) are boring enough the 1st time round, there is really no reason to revisit them and the MPs boring, cookie cutter maps that are copied and pasted from the SP game are all just symmetrical "arenas" that show little (if any creativity).

/yawn

[Clavicula_nox4817]

Uh, didn't the Predator have limited energy in the 2nd game? If you used it up, you had to use some kind of recharge device.

[Archamedes]

Uh, didn't the Predator have limited energy in the 2nd game? If you used it up, you had to use some kind of recharge device.

yes that you could use at any time rather than having to find an energy source to recharge like with the batteries for the marine

[BangTail]

yes that you could use at any time rather than having to find an energy source to recharge like with the batteries for the marine

What he said.

[vilas]

and Predator has no Alien-see vision :( as i remember only 2 types of view :(
other than AvP 1/2 - there "full arsenal" of Predie was available

[CameronMcDonald]

and Predator has no Alien-see vision :( as i remember only 2 types of view :(
other than AvP 1/2 - there "full arsenal" of Predie was available

Whaaaat? No electric view? Gay!

[vilas]

yes, only thermal and usual human view (i played 2 missions before i took back game to shop)
only 1 weapon (except blades) and after 5-8 shots enery lost :(
to kill human sometimes 2-3 shots (as Alien) , so you may LOST all energy on ... 2-3 opponents , really, i don't cheat
i prefer AvP 1 much much more
and this auto-aim not works in AvP as in previous
AvP3 is weakest Predie i ever seen
Marine is good mission, very frightening but i always wanted play Predie in this game, when i want to play rifle and human - i have 1000 other games

[Aeneas2020]

vilas you do get more than two weapons as the pred u know...you just dont get them until later in the game...

[vilas]

later in game... eh
it is not the way many of us would expect continuation of AvP serie :(
there are 5 mission for each specie ? if i played 2 (one was stupid training) than how much gameplay left with alien-seek mask and new weapons ?
AvP3 was for me disappointment :( really pity cause i was big fan of AvP1
of course if someone not played 1999 game , i believe he will see this game great

[Aeneas2020]

i agree but as i was just suggesting u check what weapons u get before posting. The game is waaay to short for my tastes.

[vilas]

so ... AvP3 "what a pity" :(

[trickster1982]

Its fun enough to play, but its far too daft in places, like if a marine sees you as the Predator, you just have to hide for a few seconds & they say "dont let your guard down" & go back to their patrol routes, and they arent at all bothered if they stumble on the corpse of one of their mates! Even in metal gear solid 10 years ago guards went on the alert if they saw another dead guard!

[BangTail]

As I suspected, the DLC milking begins.

http://www.bluesnews.com/s/108148/aliens-vs-predator-dlc-next-week

Rebellion/SEGA are another group of devs/publishers I won't be buying anything from again.

$50.00 for a 3 hour campaign and some forgettable MP and now they want more money for 4 throw away maps.

No thanks.

Even if it kills off developers, it's absolutely imperative that we do not support these greedy wankers. They are killing PC gaming with their unambitious cash grabs.

[vilas]

50 USD for new missions ? hehehehehe
now we all see - only BIS is great
cause we can do missions ourselves , it only depends of our creativity :) the more lazy we are, the less missions we have :]

[BangTail]

50 USD for new missions ? hehehehehe
now we all see - only BIS is great
cause we can do missions ourselves , it only depends of our creativity :) the more lazy we are, the less missions we have :]

Not $50.00 for new missions, that was for the whole game. They want ~$8.00 for the new maps which is $8.00 too much AFAIAC.

[Max Power]

Whaaaat? No electric view? Gay!

It was established in the second film that he has all kinds of different filters. Movie continuity fail.

[IceBreakr]

For content that should be included in the v1.0 release :)

[smeg head]

I thought it was a great game :)

The only disappointment to me was that it wasn't really very scary, but maybe thats because since the original AVP I've just gotten so much more incredibly brave (and more handsome too!) :P

[SiC-Disaster]

And to make it worse, those 4 maps from the DLC were already made for some special edition or something, at least i read something about that.
That is just plain fucking greedy, and even defeats the purpose of a special edition (though extra maps for SE is a bad idea to begin with, seperating regular edition players from SE players)

[Barely-injured]

Just FYI the alien -electrical- vision for the pred is included as you can use it in mp. In sp you only get it after some time, silly i know but its included.

[IceBreakr]

God damn I hate this crappy Steam and publishers supporting it as the only way for MP! Its currently offline and I simply cannot start MP part of the game. A real slap in the face of a PC gamer.

[Gabe_Ruckus]

Just finished the Marine campaign, it was a hell of a ride. I'm really looking forward to the other two!

Yeah, it was a little short, but I'm deployed so I don't have long chunks of time to play, and the checkpoint system did a good job of breaking it down into manageable chunks.

[trickster1982]

The voice acting in the marine campaign is appalling though, theres no panic or urgency in the voices of anyone even when the excrement is hitting the air circulation unit! I dont hate the game & have enjoyed playing it, but theres a huge sense of "could have been better" all the way though each of the campaigns

[CW001]

Don't relax just yet, marines!
Stay frosty!
Don't let your guard down!
Stay frosty!
Wait, did you hear something?
Don't relax just yet, marines!
Don't let your guard down!
I see it!
Stay frosty!
Don let your guard down!
Don't relax just yet, marines!

[trickster1982]

Don't relax just yet, marines!
Stay frosty!
Don't let your guard down!
Stay frosty!
Wait, did you hear something?
Don't relax just yet, marines!
Don't let your guard down!
I see it!
Stay frosty!
Don let your guard down!
Don't relax just yet, marines!


You knows it! :p

[CW001]

You knows it! :p

I genuinely find it hard to play the non-marine campaigns because I crack up laughing at every marine soundbite.

[Archamedes]

I ignored all the negative comments and complaints and let myself judge it. I actually really enjoyed it very much. I am a big fan of both so it wouldn't of mattered if they were crap cos i would have loved it anyway. I completed the campaign by doing each level playing each species rather than playing through as one character. I have it on pc and ended up unplugging the joypad and using the mouse simply because its just too damn hard to target the aliens (as a marine) I thought the predator sounds and vision was 100% (thermal vision is very hard to recreate in the form of a game) I didnt like the close quarter melee attacks, can be very innacurate and you end up pressing the wrong buttons when the prompt comes up cos theres too much going on to concetrate properly.

My only Big BIG complaint is the fact you have to be connected to the net in order to start up the game. My broadband is down and i have to use a dongle and i couldnt get into the game for 4 hours last night due to connection issues and im not even interested in mp i just wanted to play the sp campaign. I think its wrong to expect pc users to have to play the game with an internet connection when there are still a lot of people out there who dont have internet.

Also i dont know why people are complaining that the predator doesn't have all the weapons to start with. It would be too easy if that where the case. Not to mention you find with most 3rd person shooter games always starts you off with basic weapons and gradually gets you into it. And you obviously didnt pay attention to the storyline that the predator was a young warrior starting his trials, he needs to earn his weapons rather than be given them, its just basic predator code of practice (if you are a geek like me that looks further into the characters)

[IceBreakr]

Archamedes: nice review, I too enjoy it couple of times per week. MP is just lovely - playin' with friends. And SP's gotta be one of the scariest experiences. Loved the marine part on Hard ;)

[Bulldogs]

The patches fixed a lot of the crashes and audio problems. DX11 still crashes occasionally but it's few and far between.

[DenisRUS]

AvP 3 inspired me to buy and rewatch original Aliens quadrilogy and to change my graphic card to HD5780 so i think it is a good game))

[nomdeplume]

Here's the Zero Punctuation (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1516-Aliens-vs-Predator) review of the new AvP.

[Bulldogs]

Man I'm in tears... I love zero puntuation reviews. You can never take them very serious as they're all just a reason to take the piss out of something (like most stand-up comedians) but they're hillarious none the less.

[nomdeplume]

I think he's usually on the money. He just has high standards, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's also an interesting take on reviews: highlighting the bad things about the game. Most reviews talk up the good things and don't focus much on where the game lets down the player's expectations.

Also I suspect he tends to avoid reviewing games he actually likes.

[Bulldogs]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I love zeros reviews, I just mean that he hasn't given a good review ever. But he is helpful. A lot of times I'll read reviews of games and hear the good stuf then I'll check out zeros stuff to see what downsides the game has that reviewers ignored. Of course I have to strip back he hatred of everything off zeros reviews but he does help.

[Aeneas2020]

he gave the orange box a good review....

PC Gamer UK really laid into this game.

[IceBreakr]

Now the map pack is out for 8 bucks... something that should be included in the original. Milking the cows... not me.

[Enad]

Where can I find these patches. Maybe I'll try to finish the Predator Campaign if the game will stop crashing every 5 to 10 minutes. :/

[Bulldogs]

The patches should install automatically through steam. Dx 11 is still too unstable to be reliable but there's less crashes now